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decimation: yeah I knew tartars/turkic peoples were scattered around the middle and eastern parts of asiatic ru, but I didn'
t realize they had taken up around Sevastopol
mircea_popescu: it's true that you can'
t be smarter than Y, but you also can'
t be stupider than Y, and so the average will always be over Y which is not an average /r/bitcoin looks likely to reach.
mircea_popescu: one group is motivated by greed, which brings all the idiots out of the woodwork. the other group is motivated by broken ideology, which HAS a barrier to entry, because you can'
t adhere to an ideology and act on that basis if you're arbitrarily stupid.
mircea_popescu: decimation: I didn'
t realize that the Crimea was filled with Tartars << golden horde sez nothing to you ?
mircea_popescu: well yes. politics doesn'
t work, we know that going in.
mircea_popescu: decimation i mean, if the entire objection to the mores of the black ghetto is that men don'
t live with the women they impregnate, and then you go demolish the one place for 500 miles where they actually do...
nubbins`: an hero wasn'
t me, a bunch of ears of corn broke my fall
nubbins`: completely by accident, no way to remove it. we deemed it fitting and didn'
t re-shoot.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> because usg is too stupid to move to somewhere cheaper <>< nah, not how it works. wherever it moves, the bedbugs move there too. it won'
t stay cheaper.
decimation: pete_dushenski: aren'
t you a fan of the econtalk podcast?
mircea_popescu: had bush spent ALL the stimulus on making internet connecxtions of 1tbps universally available, i wouldn'
t be here snubbing my nose at horowitz
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: weren'
t they a grand investment for that generation?
pete_dushenski: which would be why average joe can'
t wait to get a self-driving car
mircea_popescu: people don'
t want to spend an hour driving, they want to spend that hour derping on a dating app
davout: "If Bitcoiners could ever get decent adoption and max out that 7 transactions per second the fees wouldn'
t even have to be that bad. Just make every transaction cost 0.006 BTC and that's just $1.50. That would be the equivalent of the current block reward. But the problem is they've all decided that microtransactions while having an expensive Bitcoin is the killer feature."
decimation: I didn'
t realize that the Crimea was filled with Tartars
coderwill: punkman: BF just pays a sponsorship fee to help cover the hosting costs, and to support saivann helping maintain it and a few other projects on there, they don'
t own it
thestringpuller: Pretty much like an outage but there wasn'
t an outage at all, so it had to be DDOS.
ben_vulpes: i can'
t wait for bandwidth to get expensive again
nubbins`: "OK, so he didn'
t use a laser"
nubbins`: and "i" or else it doesn'
t make sense
cazalla: pete_dushenski, everybody's talk at you but you can'
t hear a word they're saying.. just driving 'round in saddam's car
nubbins`: i'm all "why didn'
t he laser the entire background if he's gonna do this?"
ben_vulpes: the fork-block didn'
t make it into the main chain, correct?
ben_vulpes: aw i fucked the genders there didn'
t i
pete_dushenski: i don'
t think he's done his 6 months tho, not seriously
ben_vulpes: they're already cut loose. can'
t get into b-a
mircea_popescu: these guys "delisted" at a 25% buyback that they didn'
t really honor
ben_vulpes: i discovered recently that "baby" carrots aren'
t so much "lathed" as they are knocked around in a conical abrasive vessel
mircea_popescu: think of it as "chain of pointers" and now tell me who the fuck doesn'
t flunk the idiot that actually keeps an enumeration array for the chain
mircea_popescu: like sending you to hunt for snipes so yo ucan'
t be a huner)
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense of the first order, an utter antipattern, and iof they weren'
t stupid as frogs i'd suspect its deliberate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason, incidentally, i didn';
t read it myself is i dun trust my rudimentary c understanding.
mircea_popescu: buttonwood_> There has to be a better way to do otc trades tho. << nope. isn'
t, for provable reason. isn'
t happening in practice, either.
ben_vulpes: trust is built over time, and can'
t be abstracted out.
ben_vulpes: buttonwood_: you can'
t trust people that you don'
t trust. end of story.
mats: can'
t be done. deal with people you trust or don'
t do business, full stop.
mats: look, you can'
t offload the complex business of trust to anything but a human.
mats: because 'hard ai' doesn'
t exist yet.
mats: hasn'
t been done, won'
t be done.
jurov: right. and even if node doesn'
t create txs itself, i'm asking about verifying whatever txs flying around
mircea_popescu: you can'
t have "these are the valid and these are the invalid txn of block 6"
mircea_popescu: jurov weren'
t you proposing that *somehow* there's ambiguous outputs as the entire point of what you were saying ?
ben_vulpes: perhaps i don'
t understand what all gets signed. more than likely.
jurov: ofc when it is fully spend, then you won'
t have to do anymore
mircea_popescu: if this isn'
t proof that a transaction once included loses its identity i have no idea what would.
mircea_popescu: just because that's what you do now doesn'
t imply it's what you must do.
mircea_popescu: you can'
t have the 3rd higher in the tree than the 2nd
mircea_popescu: well... you can'
t have any btc to spend if you don;
t have any btc to spend. that specifically means, a derivaiton of a coinbase, in a block.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t follow. use the formalism in the model, that's why it's there.
ben_vulpes: the bitcoind *node* doesn'
t give a whit about transaction creation
jurov: because addresses aren'
t the atomic units
jurov: and if you don'
t have tx index, that means getting whole blocks
mircea_popescu: we see in block 3 a tx that proposes to take 10 btc from 1testaddress1 to 1 testaddress2. you propose we can'
t verify what ?
jurov: that's what i'm asking, if you don'
t care it won'
t check relayed transactions?
mircea_popescu: you can, for the sake of being silly, talk of "transactions included in valud blocks" but it really doens';
t mean anythinmg. a block is a block.
mircea_popescu: you can'
t have a valid txn in an otherwise invalid block.
mircea_popescu doesn'
t understand why this is contentious and will re-read.
mircea_popescu: if you check you check. if you don'
t check, then don'
t check.
mircea_popescu: and i don'
t give a shit how convenient it is. let userland cut down the correct implementation for the sake of convenience.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> txn are verifiable aren'
t they. << not really. transaction only includes txid of previous transaction which itself has the pubkey required for validation.
jurov: so, it will allow me to relay 1000 doublespend transactions with different destination addresses, because it can'
t check if the source isn'
t spent already?
jurov: if it won'
t have even utxo set
jurov: okay. but then bitcoin will not be able whether relayed transactions aren'
t completely bogus
mircea_popescu: like linux. i don'
t have to get a new version of lindows to get rid of fucking notepad
mircea_popescu: modular fucking design, so you doin'
t have to change the whole thing every time a part sucks [for your usecase]
mircea_popescu: trying to invent a "this is the right way" because we're the power rangers isn'
t the way
jurov: i don'
t have an issue w/it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don'
t know that the thing needs to cough up *any* transaction on demand. << one can make his own emacs scripts do whatever one wants. notthe job of emacs to provide a preloaded button for arbitrary tasks.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don'
t know that the thing needs to cough up *any* transaction on demand.
davout: not that rounding isn'
t already an error in itself
jurov: never late to plan for the occassion, isn'
t it?