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trinque: as
the chairs appear
to have money, but not
time,
the investor role seems
to fit best.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:14 mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense it's very much a question come
to fore, "wtf is foundation actually expected
to do". i know for myself it very much is expected
to not do anything like hinder keccak adoption, but
this seems both a small and a remote point.
trinque: rather
than
trying
to
think of ways
to
throw money directly at
trb. it by itself dun want any, or anything.
trinque: one
thing
that looks interesting externally is
tbh
throwing first doing something
to actively seek out non-knuckleheads (yo esthlos, what do you do for a living again?) and see if a quarter or
two of float can get folks building
things
that put hard pressure on
trb
thriving.
trinque: the latter again,
tainted by pantsuit stink, yet businesses do get started.
ben_vulpes: well obviously someone sees
the value in it as at least a
testbed, what cost
to him of registering a key.
ben_vulpes: not surfacing every single person capable of operating a v for subsequent filtering of whether or not
they are ready
to convert also yields.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:40 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855796 <<
to
the extent ( and it is a ~substantial~ extent )
that a healthy btc net relies on ~widely~ available sane client, incl yes even for miners,
to limit in any way
the distribution of
trb src is imho catastrophically stupid idea.
ben_vulpes: pizarro seemed a) worthwhile endeavour b) could be let fail and
the experiment run again c) had good odds of rescue mission succeeding for a
time.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:16 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
the seed funding it provided for pizarro for instance seems a very legitimate approach, "if your project has merit you get a little bit from foundation, helps other people commit."
this works well in pantsuitlands
too, but i suspect because it;s sound objectively.
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855843 << absolutely. however i see risk of a
tendency
to 'lender of last resort' misbehaviors if unchecked (by whom?! forum clearly. which you address in your point re not
throwing out everything
the pantsuits
touch.)
☝︎ ben_vulpes: "ensure access
to
the mainline set of patches" was
the best i ever came up with for an operating
thesis.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
the seed funding it provided for pizarro for instance seems a very legitimate approach, "if your project has merit you get a little bit from foundation, helps other people commit."
this works well in pantsuitlands
too, but i suspect because it;s sound objectively.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense it's very much a question come
to fore, "wtf is foundation actually expected
to do". i know for myself it very much is expected
to not do anything like hinder keccak adoption, but
this seems both a small and a remote point.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:03 ben_vulpes: for
that reason, largely only spending cash on hosting services. recently also a few hardware nodes. it creates work for mod6 in
the vein of
the monthly reports. perhaps a nutty suggestion, but it could cleanly be wound down (the charter modified), and mod6
to continue
the monthly reports on his blog.
ben_vulpes: on
the
thread of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855797, upon meditation,
tbf was willing
to host kids' projects at various points. didn't, in
the case of lobbes, because he didn't
take funding. kids ever-declining cost next
to
tbfs kitty inclines me
to continue considering
these projects.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:04 ben_vulpes: it also carves off an unsightly imho pantsuit wart upon
the side of
the republic, a "non-profit organization" with names and caftans etc.
mircea_popescu certainly was informed by a lot more "for everyone" pov five or
ten years ago.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:01 ben_vulpes: by and large i saw
the responsibility
to ensure
that
the reference bitcoin client source stayed available
to
the republic, although at
the
time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own
thinking.
ben_vulpes: is
there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: so
then what loss? if heathen has changed religion what are
they doing out of church
ben_vulpes: mm, i didn't mean
to suggest 'republic only'
trb net. it is however a pretty sane client for
the extant network, and perhaps
there is value in gating access
to such a gem from
teh hoi polloi. what with
trinque's impending hotwallet patches and his demonstration of
their value with
trb services,
the gem will become only of more value.
ben_vulpes: i do not advocate
that
tbf hide
the sauce away, dun fear
ben_vulpes: inner popscu suggests "what, as if its used by anyone outside
the republic anyways? if joe blow wants a sane client (which republicans should be mentioning in
their blogs etc), he can join
the republic and ask for
the vpatches." but perhaps i'm undercalibrated.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:01 ben_vulpes: by and large i saw
the responsibility
to ensure
that
the reference bitcoin client source stayed available
to
the republic, although at
the
time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own
thinking.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 17:49 asciilifeform: esthlos's
thing calls
to gnupatch ?! ugh
esthlos:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855058 << as
to
this,
the initial release (this weekend) will use gnupatch. I
tried
to design
the
thing so
that I can swap out
the patcher for my own afterwords. eventually my own mcilroy should make its way in.
☝︎ ben_vulpes: did what, as far as mod6 and i could
tell, it needed
to.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:29
trinque: which incidentally is a great segue
to hey esthlos, when am I getting such a
thing with which
to cuntoo?
trinque: yeh,
this is why I prefer strapping myself
to a business requirement for
trb working well, rather
than joining up on
TBF
ben_vulpes: (elsewhere, saws buzz, coats of poly are applied, a decade of life-dross
triaged and arrangements made
to ship
the most-valued and useful posessions across
the continent continue...)
ben_vulpes: it also carves off an unsightly imho pantsuit wart upon
the side of
the republic, a "non-profit organization" with names and caftans etc.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: this has
the advantage of aligning
tbf with how
things actually work in
the republic, as driven forward by
the hands of
those doing
the work.
ben_vulpes: for
that reason, largely only spending cash on hosting services. recently also a few hardware nodes. it creates work for mod6 in
the vein of
the monthly reports. perhaps a nutty suggestion, but it could cleanly be wound down (the charter modified), and mod6
to continue
the monthly reports on his blog.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: by and large i saw
the responsibility
to ensure
that
the reference bitcoin client source stayed available
to
the republic, although at
the
time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own
thinking.
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:33
trinque: first
thing is
to define what
the foundation is. steward of patches/seals, ML, yes, what else?
mircea_popescu: is
there any objection
to
this, incidentally ? letting
trinque be a sort of one man cuntoo foundation ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:24
trinque: folks are also going
to expect cuntoo leadership out of me shortly.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 19:24 mircea_popescu:
trinque is
this something you'd be interested in doing ? expand deedbot
thusly, maybe charge chans a fee ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:24 asciilifeform:
trinque: do you have a subscription model in
the works ?
trinque: would like ben_vulpes
to chime in here
too.
trinque: first
thing is
to define what
the foundation is. steward of patches/seals, ML, yes, what else?
☟︎ trinque: beyond hot-wallet-subscription, notions of
trb-as-a-service sit, for in-WoT developers
that want highly available programming interfaces
to a
trb fleet
trinque: no, recall I move my arse
to a printer and hand crank all !!withdraw currently
trinque: folks are also going
to expect cuntoo leadership out of me shortly.
☟︎ trinque: as it stands
the deedbot wallet project is a hand-cranked charity I run, really want
to see
that
thing move
towards paid subscription services before I
take on something else.
mircea_popescu: certainly it has
that advantage, which no pantsuit item ever could point
to, of being VERY conservativewly run and as a result decent roi
through keeping denominator down.
mod6: I
think
trinque would be a great candidate for Foundation Co-Chair. (As I've said before).
mircea_popescu: i mean, let's not get
too anachronistic, most of
the
things
that are "forever held
true and known"
today have been invented last wednesday ; at
the
time
tbf was invented, none of
the notions of collaboration meanwhile spawned out of v usage were even apprehended. not even a glimmer in
the lords' eyes...
mod6: People contribute, and do
things. It would be very nice
to have more consistant help with
testing and other
things. It hasn't been
too bad just doing it myself, but with Pizarro in
the picture (esepcially when was acting manager), having
to do it all was hard.