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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: thread was about how bitcoin as it exists is very much designed around 'political time' being a knowable and generally agreed-on thing
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 19:39:57; ben_vulpes: i'm beginning to suspect that booting bitcoin nodes cannot be automated in the same way that diddling one's gpg cannot be automated.
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> mike_c: all the signs point to us trying to solve the utterly wrong problem. << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189757 << and by "diddle" i mean "use", if that wasn't clear. ☝︎
gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
decimation: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/617/jew_basic.jpg < happy money changer
decimation: 00:06:36 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the inept spin they published, why the fuck are we pricing things in dollars.
decimation: 00:06:24 mircea_popescu: "Note that the roughly 50% of the network that was SPV mining had explicitly indicated that they would enforce the BIP66 rules. By not doing so,
decimation: 00:05:37 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185652 << i really gotta post ak47.sh to the ml ☝︎
decimation: 00:03:34 ben_vulpes: ohai punkman
decimation: 00:02:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187220 << so are they :D ☝︎
decimation: 00:01:17 mircea_popescu: i dunno when it became fashionable to be infantile, but i'm getting pretty sick of it.
decimation: 00:01:03 mircea_popescu: because yes, we're fucktarded enough to not notice what's proposed here is a closed f2pool - antpool loop. they're over there in their own
decimation: 00:00:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187182 << add lying schmucks to a degree not experienced since kindergarten on pirate island. the ☝︎
mats: i'm exploring the option of _not_ using additional things like redis or memcache
asciilifeform: to which i say mircea_popescu's sacramental 'don't be poor'
asciilifeform: because, as mircea_popescu explained earlier, difficulty is defined in relation to wall time
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ?
asciilifeform: unrelated: folks competing for mircea_popescu's 1 btc prize for therealbitcoin callgraph can strike 'egypt' utility off the list. it is a worthless pile of shit, which produces worthless piles of shit (at least for cpp proggy) ☟︎
decimation: pete_dushenski: I assume you are still using the stock uboot which ascii suspects?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Haven't seen people talking blockheight. Really as fragile as the thing is atm fuckers ruined my dreams of blockheight as "canonical" measure of time
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cd4nd/unless_all_major_miners_begin_mining_with_fully/ ☟︎
decimation: pete_dushenski: ah that's good news
assbot: its_bitney_bitch comments on How far behind are we due to the "stress test"? ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5m3Z9 )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i did my 'edgerouter' by building on pc and copying to the stick, yes
decimation: pete_dushenski: I thought that openbsd didn't support the usb storage driver for edgerouter
TomServo: pete_dushenski: Ah cool, I'll give it a go. Thanks.
TomServo: pete_dushenski: Didja find a way to boot OpenBSD on the edgerouter from USB or are you using the nfs boot option?
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 19:51:35; ascii_field: just opening that plastic box is already adding more labour cost than everything we previously considered to be involved in setup put together
pete_dushenski: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cbuq1/im_the_author_of_the_bitcoin_revolution_an/ << oh travis tequilahead, how the mighty "thought leader" has fallen. you've stumbled from writing on your own blog to hacking up scamdesk, and now all the way down to the very bottom of the barrel with reddit. all in the course of, what, 2 weeks ?
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu please consider posting your blkxxxx which encompass the two most recent forks
punkman: ascii_field: maybe better place for that in new keyserver?
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 21:11:18; thestringpuller: ascii_field: did you get past the wedge yet in 0.5.3.x? or do you still not have access to a node?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
punkman: 6th or 7th finance minister in 5 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid_Tsakalotos
punkman: pete_dushenski: "in which Greek citizens refused to accept austerity measures" in case it wasn't clear, the referendum question was "do you like this deal? answer yes or no". and the next deal won't be much different either.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: ascii_field: did you get past the wedge yet in 0.5.3.x? or do you still not have access to a node? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ascii_field gotta be a lot of magic numbers
mircea_popescu: ascii_field in fairness that's how they saw china too
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 22:28:31; mircea_popescu: anyway, the main sufferance in my head atm is that reading the chinese stuff (in translation) clarifies in my head an objection that may well be a second major flaw to the protocol, after the "relay nodes gotta do it for the glory" : its altogether unclear a purely financial incentive is the correct solution for miners.
trinque: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html ( linked earlier )
trinque: ascii_field: making me eat lots of invalid blocks?
trinque: ascii_field: http://deedbot.org/stator-lcov/bitcoin/bitcoin/src/main.cpp.gcov.html << line #1265 appears to check for being in the future, not past
ascii_field: as (i think it was) mircea_popescu pointed out, it looks like the miners have not been sufficiently darwined yet
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: why so certain that impossible ?
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 20:03:11; ascii_field: probably the only Right Thing (tm) solution is to somehow cleanse bitcoin of its dependence on wall time entirely
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski will the lulz never cease.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my objection was 'uses magic key'
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 18:30:13; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski whaddaya know about this glynn-ward character?
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 19:56:14; danielpbarron: jurov mircea_popescu sent
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 19:53:03; ascii_field: right now, our pictured supply chain looks like 'any pogo -> any ethernet jack'
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> markets break over the stupid leap second << no they don't.
decimation: ascii_field: I wonder if satoshi thought that these nodes would be anonymous?
decimation: ascii_field: but that would come at the cost of fucking *all clocks for all users*
trinque: ascii_field: is it +/- 2hrs or is it no more than 2hrs in the future?
ascii_field: mike_c: all the signs point to us trying to solve the utterly wrong problem.
ascii_field: mike_c: when you have no blocks ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there is presently no mechanism for 'pull blocks ONLY FROM THESE'
kakobrekla: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 19:27:32; ascii_field: jurov: realize that, at the moment, we do not have separate code for servicing peers you added manually vs ones dredged up from the seedlist
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 19:00:13; ben_vulpes: wait, wedge is related to version number?
trinque: ascii_field: and then going down that route, anyone can diddle his pogo soon as it's in hand
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 18:54:35; ben_vulpes: trivial patch to apply for anyone who's vested.
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 18:54:46; ascii_field: they could still attempt to filter, but it would have to be an open declaration of war. something the gavinists are rather averse to
ascii_field: hitler? me? mircea_popescu?
trinque: ascii_field: yeah, I think that is the only possible way to avoid having a magic central something
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeh
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 18:28:33; punkman: ascii_field: see also http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html
trinque: ascii_field: the script itself could be both properly signed and invalid right?
trinque: ascii_field: what's wrong with the idea of signaling via specially crafted txn?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu awake ?
danielpbarron: jurov mircea_popescu sent ☟︎
assbot: linux - Difference between CLOCK_REALTIME and CLOCK_MONOTONIC? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1J16jXw )
decimation: called CLOCK_MONOTONIC
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 18:49:17; mircea_popescu: ascii_field i have nfi why unixtime "locales" are implemented so braindamagedly anyway. all machines should have the same exact integer for time. then if you wish to localize it, localize it on top of that
punkman: ascii_field: I think that error means node is sending you command only present in later nodes
shinohai: T_T
ascii_field: "errors" : "EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range \nCInv::GetCommand() : type=3 unknown type \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n"
kakobrekla: ascii_field> kakobrekla: ssd is often 'free' - rip out of a retired laptop < maybe that is true for you and me but not the majority i dont think
kakobrekla: !up ascii_field
punkman: ben_vulpes: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-07-2015#1189265 regarding GPG-diddler automation ☝︎
kakobrekla: <ascii_field> trinque: 50 is almost TRIPLE the cost of a pogo < if you dont include ssd you dont have a working node
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: there wouldn't be any '-connect' on pogo net
ben_vulpes: ascii_field:-connect means "ultimately trusted".
trinque: ascii_field: does not seem there's any sense in continuing on trying to do something distributed without an rtc
punkman: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: because 100% usg
ben_vulpes: ascii_field:and why no ntp?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: speaking here of block ver constant
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: actually this bears testing too.
kakobrekla: ascii_field special low version logic
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i brought up this point before. asked mircea_popescu why we insist on making it so easy for gavinists to wall off our net from the rubes. iirc mircea_popescu said 'fuck them all'
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it doesn't make a practical difference, but it pins a pointless magic variable at its "infinity" value, in the zero, one infinity mapping.
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today << eeeheuhe
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it was intended to work as you stated above
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i have nfi why unixtime "locales" are implemented so braindamagedly anyway. all machines should have the same exact integer for time. then if you wish to localize it, localize it on top of that ☟︎☟︎
kakobrekla: 'your_epoch' is 'network-adjusted time' isnt it