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asciilifeform: that it was able to masquerade as 'contest prize', is not really a bug in bitcoin
asciilifeform: wasn't that ^ thing simply an instance of 'i'ma put some coin on the floor for a miner to take' ?
mircea_popescu: if your idea of "i want to spend my dime" reduces to "well, have a mining farm" suddenly the whole thing's ~useless.
asciilifeform: though O(1) verification could make this a nonproblem
asciilifeform: afaik it is one of the only two known steps in that direction (the other being wotronics. and we discussed what a coin that relies ~solely~ on wotronics, and not at all on proof-of-work, might look like.)
mircea_popescu: it's a step in that direction yes.
asciilifeform: 'if you keep banging head on glass, you are probably in a jar'
asciilifeform: i am at a loss as to how this problem is solvable in general case. aside from mircea_popescu's answer to my 'panopticon' thread, 'don't get caught in a jar!'
mircea_popescu: my mouse knew it was in a glass jar.
mircea_popescu: consider the case of the web, also a major application in need of a debottler. how do you know whether you connect ot the internet or to the tomcooknet ?
mircea_popescu: for all you know there's 45 different bitcoins going on right now, separated by a so-far universally permeable membrane.
asciilifeform: it seems like a terrible liability, for such a thing to be possible
mircea_popescu: the g has a decent debottler built in ; the trb-i does not, and needs a few.
asciilifeform: to outline what we have so far : we've a 'must have all blocks' mining algo, from mircea_popescu ; we have a O(1)-verify-of-any-and-all-tx-and-blocks algo from asciilifeform (today) ; and we also now have a 'limited cpu cost for tx' algo.
mircea_popescu: it can be priced see. if i wish to pay a ten bitcoin fee, i thereby have the right to make my tx last into the eons
asciilifeform: then solves 'to allcomers', because the cpu cycle cost of eating a tx can be determined in O(1).
asciilifeform: there may exist some way to solve 'castle problem' that doesn't require a tx to stand alone 'for all time'.
mircea_popescu: it inadvertently forces a node-miner tandem ("you don't like the mempopol, fucking mine it already")
asciilifeform: and yes, the man in the besieged castle, would dearly love to broadcast an unexpiring tx, throw it in a glass bottle into the sea, and who knows, it will go to friendly lines
mircea_popescu: im not disputing unexpiring txn is a bojum
asciilifeform: yes but potentially never included, and always a cpu tax to all-comers.
asciilifeform: it is a 'to-allcomers' quantum of socialistronium
asciilifeform: trinque, mircea_popescu : the reason for my 'want-block' gedankenexperiment, is the 'high vacuum' line of thought from earlier. because any way you cut it, an unexpiring tx is a kind of cheque for unlimited number of cpu cycles from the rest of the world
trinque: I have a gpg wrapper CL item I wrote
asciilifeform: (if decrypt -- a bit more sweat)
mircea_popescu: yeah well, that's a diff story.
trinque: mircea_popescu: right, register in this case would write a pubkey somewhere once, and always use that as the nick:key association
mircea_popescu: trinque my concern was more in the vein of, i don't want deedbot to answer with an item crafted as described to a !!key command
mircea_popescu: something is a higher bar than nothing.
mircea_popescu: i now have two bitcoins - a real and a fake one.
mircea_popescu: let's see. i have a bitcoin. the network forks. i spend the bitcoin. the spend is valid on both networks and thus included by both networks. in different blocks.
mircea_popescu: spend a bitcoin, obtain a bitcoin on each chain.
mircea_popescu: under a bitcoin as you describe, 2015 gavincoin'd have had better chances.
asciilifeform: (the only alternative known to me, presently, is the matrix mechanics 'coin' we discussed on a few occasions, and that is 'martian' tech that nobody alive is necessarily qualified to operate )
mircea_popescu: to a lesser degree.
mircea_popescu: it suspiciously reinstills socialism in that it creates a very strong incentive for... all castles to... work together. because "first they came for the germans" usual bugaboo of socialist propaganda to try and dissolve the outer membranes of the individual organism's cells.
mircea_popescu: somewhat in the same way a retarded child who buys things but always ends up using them as if they were icecream doesn't thereby realise he's retarded.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 19:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: andresen h. paid for it for a reason!11
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618154 << it's so funny, at least to me, the sheer wastage of resources usg oligarchs engage in. they keep buying things, which they don't understand, on the expectation that "we;ll find a use for them". they do. it's ALWAYS the same one. somehow the fact that i know in advance what it'll be doesn't inform them as to their horrible strategic position. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway. the main problem, barely conveyed by the "canned tx" thing, is that if you require the user to know more than his privkey to make a txn, you make usage a higher bar than it is now.
asciilifeform: which is why i won't even take a position on this , and leave it up to folx who actually worked this scenario in real life , e.g. mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: andresen h. paid for it for a reason!11 ☟︎
asciilifeform: scheme is a quite obvious one. but i bet if there is anyone whom this shoe pinches, it'll be mircea_popescu , he will tell us where.
asciilifeform: in given trb-i scheme, a block either exists on disk -- or does not
asciilifeform: locking problems (gotta add tx to index, in current trb, as aggregate -- but the only way to do that is to stop the world! like complete idiot -- every time there is a new block, to prevent situation where there is a partially indexed block available to incoming mempool tx verifier) disappear.
asciilifeform: in either hypothetical trb-i -- you no longer need a db. any db.
asciilifeform: likewise you can reject, in O(1), any tx input which attempts to make use of a future ( > current-height ) block.
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack -- if you have 'want-block' field, you can auto-reject (in O(1) !!) any tx that comes in having a want-block that is <= current-height.
asciilifeform: to clarify -- in my mind, a 'trb-i' ~must~ be capable of checking validity of tx at wire speed (i.e. at the speed it is physically capable of receiving them) on reasonable iron.
danielpbarron: not impossible; would just need to pre-sign hundreds of thousands of tx, each "wanting to live" in a different block but all using the same inputs. even gives you the control over how long the "canned tx" is good for
asciilifeform: no longer would idiotic concept of 'ahahaha you're trying to DOUBLESPEND!' be a thing.
asciilifeform: (alternatively, could require that a tx include a 'i want to live in block N' value at birth! and if it doesn't get into N, it is invalid for all time. but this would have serious engineering tradeoff, 'canned' txen as discussed in old mircea_popescu article would be impossible.)
asciilifeform: a mature (i.e. mined) tx's id will then consist of the concatenation of the block number it lives in (say, 64bit, enough until long after sun burns out), then a 10-bit offset into the block (0..1023) , then hash of payload.
asciilifeform: tx is, e.g., 1024 byte, then 1024 tx live in a block, etc.
asciilifeform: a method of bitcoinating where you can actually get ~100% of the socialism out (as contemplated in, e.g., the gossip threads) would, i suspect, be a similar jump.
mircea_popescu: "who the fuck cares about navy timekeeping" "hurry up and have children before you're too old to attract a sucker"
mircea_popescu: i think it a very apt analogy actually.
asciilifeform: so it likewise was with 'let's make a bottle with 0 socialism'
mircea_popescu: similarily, young bride isn't AIMING to become a bitch. she's just getting married.
asciilifeform: how ? ohnoez, he has to wait for a tx to get mined before making children of it ?
asciilifeform: incidentally, does it melt anyone else's brain that satoshi's format for tx input did not mandate a 'and it is in block # N' field ?
asciilifeform: (you can get multiported memory, no questions asked, even now. but not, for some odd reason, packaged into any device you can use with a comp...)
asciilifeform: btw not only do i ask for this, but i would even buy a multi-ported ssd. to ACTUALLY read from two holes at same time. because in some applications, you can guarantee consistency using YOUR OWN system, and don't need to rely on some idiot's lock
mircea_popescu: it's a job.
mircea_popescu: no, just, i don't give a shit what happens to any request.
asciilifeform: but a more reasonable handful/sec.
mircea_popescu: (new comment stales out all article pages ; all pages are staled out once a day cause of header image ; etcetera)
asciilifeform: (even phuctor has a simple cache)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought you had a cachetron in there? or does every www load actually result in db reads
asciilifeform: if you ~only read, you don't need a db
mircea_popescu: writes ? i dunno, one a day ?
mircea_popescu: a decade or so ago there were womenz there.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-15 05:27 asciilifeform: heimbach was one hell of a d00d, i met him on a street, where he picketed 'occupyists' while waving kaiser banner.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the guy doesn't know how to say http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/
mircea_popescu: a there you go.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pretty idle lately , actually, trb is a procrastinatory escape from the hardstuff
asciilifeform: after running this for a spell, simply:
mircea_popescu: smart thing would be to replace it with a proper rsatron
a111: Logged on 2017-02-23 19:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o hey, consider this situation : 1. i know your fp, so i make fake key for that fp. 2. i know trinque 's fp, so i make fake key for that fp too. 3. i know you keep a signed copy of trinque's key on your keyring ; so : 4. i proceed to sign trinque's fake key with your fake key and 5. pretend to be a noob and give you my gpg pubkey.
mod6: what i want to do is write a program that does somethings to not only get a feel for the lang, but also how to use packages.
mod6: ah yah, that's a good list of things. i've got it bookmarked. good to have it in the l0gz again tho.
mod6: lol, so get this. i was thinking, "man i really should have gotten a Ada ref book..."
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 02:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617860 << after n years i still am in the dark, re what exactly is a kek, and where to get one
veen: who's to say? is it a different material?
ben_vulpes: veen: i share these reservations; d'ya think the t-top'd have been better off without a shroud?
veen: ben_vulpes: not a fan of the car covers myself, accumulates grit, works finish during application and removal, and in any amount of wind
asciilifeform: dunno, i saw a bicyclist not long ago, and thought of ben_vulpes's urban hell.
ben_vulpes: i locked mine to the car for a year or so, then stopped
ben_vulpes: maybe a minute to get on and off once practiced
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: suburbia is a plague born of the curse of oil
asciilifeform: (he owns a couple hundred rare autos)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i met a hungarian crackpot d00d who makes, with own hands, and sells, those.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 01:32 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the southern poverty law center (mildly famous lefty oppression tools from the 60s) lists "kek" as a dangerous nazy paraphenalia.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617860 << i once met a chick who stated that a major life goal of hers was to be Officially Denounced by splc. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kek is a misspelled lol.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 01:32 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the southern poverty law center (mildly famous lefty oppression tools from the 60s) lists "kek" as a dangerous nazy paraphenalia.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617860 << after n years i still am in the dark, re what exactly is a kek, and where to get one ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: the user during installation. This code is a 128-bit value that can recreate the key material, and can also be used to regenerate the private key on a different device.' << eww
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617855 >> 'In this initial version, E2EMail hosts its own keyserver. During app installation, it automatically generates an OpenPGP ECC key and uploads the public half to the keyserver. The keyserver accepts it if the user-id in the key matches an OAuth mediated check against the user's email address. The private half is stored locally, but can be regenerated via a secret "recovery code" provided to ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-24 18:40 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616287 << subj. of autocad, i finally stood a cadcam workstation up in support of project carport and shit damn inventor is a well-designed piece of software.