log☇︎
716800+ entries in 0.347s
mircea_popescu: is it better for the pdf to be heavy or long ?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah I know, but it's better than our dedicated box at a DC here where I have to log a fault and they send an engineer out to press enter on the keyboard because it's stuck at the grub screen
asciilifeform: re: IPMI: lol let's put a piece of remote-controlled strange on the system bus.
mircea_popescu: MrWDunne: Also the actual business plan is a 25 page PDF << i like this part best so far.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aye, and duplicate signature nonces, and the obvious consequences
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla remember the android hole last year ?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: the Android Java RNG hack
kakobrekla: whats that addy ?
asciilifeform: i only tell it because i was foolish enough to mention it once here, and then kako asked 'how did it end'
kakobrekla: its impossible for me to do buy/sell bot on btc, im stuck in bull mode since ever, so my only game was straight forward arb
asciilifeform: but this is boring story.
asciilifeform: the idea was to engineer such a case
asciilifeform: in some particular cases (online poker table) you can in fact isolate the idiots (at least, long enough to squeeze juice)
mircea_popescu: this was how mtgox managed to lose daytrading.
moiety: believe me when i have anything worth showing i'll be begging you all to take a tour :D (just be dont make me cry if im super proud!)
mircea_popescu: but yeah i remember that bs.
asciilifeform: a very sorry sight, all of them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from a mathematical standpoint : the most important quality of markets is that you can't isolate participants.
asciilifeform: i originally had the thought when noticing a proliferation of particularly dumb bots running on gox etc
moiety: just shared, im not in anyway ready for vps type affairs fluffypony XD im just getting to grips with ssh!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but that's always what it is, "dumb x". the mkt isnt dumb
fluffypony: moiety: is that for shared hosting or a VPS?
moiety: when they opened up a uk data centre, they gave too good a deal. what i dont like is the hoops you have to jump through to get ssh access fluffypony
asciilifeform: the point wasn't to merely 'with enough money' but specific target - dumb bots
mircea_popescu: yeah. the master model of the preoblem is "cornering X market", such as the 5 i think to date attempts on silver/gold
fluffypony: except for a handful of domain hacks for TLDs they don't offer
kakobrekla: well with inifinite moneey theres no issue for sure
fluffypony: moiety: I have a VPS with them that runs an Electrum server, and then all my international (non-.co.za) domains are with them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i believe it. notice i've no truck with any such thing at present.
mircea_popescu: this is counter-intuitive perhaps, but quite true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trader experience is that any strategy that starts with "if you had a lot of money" is a loser.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: perhaps i'll test this hypothesis one day. right after my nuke sub, etc.
mircea_popescu: you should have seen the original version
mircea_popescu: fluffypony really they backed off over twitter threats and general discontent
kakobrekla: well i did have some robots on btcusd back in the day but prolly nothing as sophisticated as you
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i concluded that one could actually do an interesting 'predator bot' if it has a heavy bag of coin to 'shake around' and cause (however small) price moves on demand.
fluffypony: moiety: yeah, until you need to manage a domain, then you have the old interface iframe'd in to the Hipster Header
moiety: fluffypony: oh and i dont mind what the site is like, as long as it isn't godaddy tbf
mrstickball: do all transactions go to the next block once its mined?
asciilifeform: i sort of assumed that everybody here had tried their hand at such things personally
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if you actually find this interesting, i can say more
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: tried it on recorded data stream from 'btc-e'. 'won' on some segments, lost on others. then mp gave me a demo account on mpex, where bots do no good, and i lost interest
fluffypony: moiety: their old interface wasn't pretty, but I'm buying a domain...I wouldn't mind an ncurses interface if it worked well
kakobrekla: did you try it live ascii?
moiety: <fluffypony> coz that shit irks me more than NameCheap's new design << dude, glad it's not just me. i seriously thought i'd gone to the wrong place for a second
Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0USm3AilHiU - good tune to start your fridays ;]
asciilifeform: jurov: at the time i simply itched to write 'something with ai' that 'could money'
asciilifeform: no rocket surgery, this
asciilifeform: jurov: e.g. if you can figure out that mr. whale runs bot with 'stop loss' at $x/btc, you can estimate resulting price move, effect on other such machines
jurov: but did not try to actively exploit
jurov: i did think of, and made countermeasures when i ran mine
asciilifeform: jurov: re: bots - consider some simple examples, you can probably think of
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the rng of the java thing is particularly atrocious. piuk (blockchaininfo) made some fixes on a fork)
mircea_popescu: but srsly, anyone heard of this major bitcoinjs-lib hole ?
fluffypony: because statistically speaking people know how to secure shitty/cheap VPS instances
fluffypony: oh I saw that - it's a web wallet that you host yourself, because that seems like a great idea
mircea_popescu: the... wait for it... the random number generation code.
mircea_popescu: "To reward the work of the developers, Drake is “offering three bounties of 0.20 BTC each for anyone that finds and fixes (via pull request) any bugs/code issues that potentially cause wallet data loss, a major security bug in the Coinpunk wallet code (coinpunk/models/wallet.js), bitcoinjs-lib, or in the random number generation code”."
mircea_popescu: "After scoring a major grant awarded by the Bitcoin Foundation, Coinpunk’s beta version is finally available. The project, which is being developed by the veteran startup founder Kyle Drake, intends to build the first fully open-source, self-hosted do-it-yourself Bitcoin wallet service that you can run on your own server." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: wait, there's more.
mircea_popescu: somehow i seem to have missed this ? did bitcoinjs announce something ?
mircea_popescu: n the wild to take BTC.
mircea_popescu: Due in part to this process, we have been notified of a security bug in bitcoinjs-lib (the bitcoin javascript library counterwallet uses) that was internally disclosed to us by the bitcoinjs-lib team yesterday evening. We worked with them on applying a fix, which was made live late last night and this security notice was drafted pending confirmation from the team. However it appears the bug has already been exploited i
BingoBoingo: Chicago dragging down the good middle of nowhere we have
mircea_popescu: lol counterparty.co srsly ? "pls to trade your bitcoinz for very valuable xcp"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did they leave out ny or am i blind
fluffypony: he could probably do it in PHP for the volume he's going to get
ozbot: Which States Hate Themselves The Most?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: well the point being that he has to have some more details on the proposal other than "money plz, will spend on sekuriteez and kode"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: how your software will handle large volumes << that's the funniest thing i read today.
ThickAsThieves: in the butt
mircea_popescu: going through the londerfull log of this mrwdune dood. did he at least have the sense to locate in Guernsey ?
mircea_popescu: for these sorts of shit.
mircea_popescu: kinda why you have to have homebrew
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think there are tons of undiscovered issues with all this non-standard IPMI shit, I'm waiting for something major to hit any time soon
fluffypony: jurov: yeah I may just do that
mircea_popescu: bs auth in-house giga scheme anyway, prolly more broken than a 50yo whore.
mircea_popescu: what the hell useless. have your wizard rewrite the auth scheme
fluffypony: "The underlying protocol seems to be VNC, but with a different authentication scheme, making standard VNC clients useless. (Also it appears to be an OEM version of ATENs KVM/VNC stuff.)"
fluffypony: coz that shit irks me more than NameCheap's new design
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: is there a non-Java IPMI bios available for their boards?
fluffypony: I hate having to even have Java installed, but SuperMicro's IPMI requires it for remote console
ThickAsThieves: and/or reports to the mothership
ThickAsThieves: seems they are just veiled ads
mircea_popescu: which admittedly is an easy enough mistake to make.
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 18 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <nubbins`> you will need it if you don't want to have to download a client and python every time you boot
mircea_popescu: HeySteve: this place is becoming a real Dragon's Den, I'm thinking of writing something to that effect << by all means. maybe get nubbins to draw us all as pony dragons.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 130/90, you take the cake.
mircea_popescu: dude the sa crew is actually doing a splendid job raping teh tardtalk forums
fluffypony: ;;later tell davout just in case you have't seen this - http://www.pfhub.com/report-revenue-from-bitcoin-must-be-declared-to-french-authorities-602/
mircea_popescu: so, i stopped by the doc today had my blood pressure measured. anyone care to guess ?
mircea_popescu: "44% of Americans are living with less than $5,887 in savings for a family of four" << fun fact ? most romanians own more than that.
jurov: asciilifeform, you mentioned some code to rape other bots? imma interested ;)
ThickAsThieves: but the website link is there
benkay: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves ah i see you wanted me to talk to MichalisBTC?
benkay: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves may i help you, sir?
bitcoinpete: benkay: the notebook is like his blog, a running tally
moiety: do you get crazy [wild]cat ladies? if so, i need a tshirt
mircea_popescu: also in s.mpif news : juraj whom you know as jurov has accepted to take over pc #5.
benkay: bitcoinpete: that's the footnotes to FBR?