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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whassat ? "being what we'd have called nazi and a threat to our democracy had trump lost" ?
mircea_popescu: a nm.
mircea_popescu: davout somehow the retard's excuse always is "i'm not the only retard btw". which is a shockingly safe bet not to mention kinda begging the question... OF FUCKING COURSE pointless & witless demographically dominate. but somehow this seems novel and refreshing to them.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 06:46 davout: my trb node is finally synced up, took approx ~2.5 months on a smallish server without an SSD
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627304 << a box like that will have hour-long blockindexdb blackholes ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627307 << jurov look how ssh does port forwarding. it doesn't USE the normal shell part for anything. the whole POINT of fuckoff.c is to clog, and work as a 'stopper' for shell access ☝︎
davout: my trb node is finally synced up, took approx ~2.5 months on a smallish server without an SSD ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw BingoBoingo this is a '0day scoop', afaik discussed nowhere.
mircea_popescu: a nice
mircea_popescu: does a buncha padding which meh.
asciilifeform: with which to later reject a valid one having same hash.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except it's a fine hashing structure! the bug is not a bug : a block with one or more duped tx is ispo facto invalid (double spend.) and bitcoin has NO business keeping around 'hashes of' or any other part of an INVALID block.
mircea_popescu: guy pretty much explains it all, merkle tree is a poor hashing scheme by itself.
asciilifeform: i got a nooseitem comin'
mircea_popescu: (the people pushing for the dissolution of the thing are just as unprincipled, ftr. mostly a coalition of "payday lenders" ie 2nd generation loan sharks.)
mircea_popescu: en) and, lulzily, they came up with a system to "guess" based on reasons (such as zip codes and last names) who is a black applicant for loans, and then fined various usg agencies masquerading as banks by the 100s of millions for these alleged abuses. and they got it too, because settlement culture. and they didn't, of course, pay as much as a dime to the "estimated" victims, they being you know, "estimated" aka hallucinated,
mircea_popescu: pretty fine example of exactly why warren was so vocal (item was strictly a barony created so elizabeth warren could be barron OF SOMETHING). this cfpb item spent 55mn on "renovations" of its hq, ie more than the gsa spent that year on everything the usg owns ; spent immensely on travel (which is not something they do). the chairman is supposed to not be removable by the president except "for cause" (meanwhile that got strick ☟︎☟︎
Framedragger: i'm not too sure why you even needed a handler for HUP, it closes by default
Framedragger: we missed out on quality butthurt because they have a private safespace channel heh.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: that's not a nice way to speak about a girl who's so charitable
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: you may have a point i'faith. that said, _why_ is she so fat?..
ben_vulpes: she's a slut not a whore
ben_vulpes: she is a CHASTE LADY
Framedragger: i personally have a special place in my heart for the static content websites which refuse to render a single legible char without heavy javascript. not that the rendered text is full of glorious content, of course
pete_dushenski: davout: a debutante is you!
ben_vulpes: because that's a constant string in the universe
pete_dushenski: hfcs trend well underway : "Nobody was predicting what happened in Clarendon in 2016 -- a wave of failures that amounted to a local restaurant die-off. Within the space of a few months, nearly a dozen major restaurants closed their doors, many of them well liked by reviewers and locally popular, some of them fixtures in the neighborhood going back a decade or more."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i'll be working on it between a couple of my nodes this afternoon. got a slave set up. now.... master
mircea_popescu: the "consumer computing community" functions approximately as a spotty porn offline backup.
asciilifeform: well in the sense that it's a non-event, 0day-wise.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/03/14/a-quick-recipe-for-pressing-experimental-trb-trees/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A quick recipe for pressing experimental TRB trees.
Framedragger: is there a way to short all these scamcoins easily? lol.
Framedragger: :D so, if not "thing block", then CRASH (`assert(0)`)? A THOUSAND EYES
trinque: inb4 bug being simply, a very large block.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well with these things even a mere 20 km can make a huge difference in timing
asciilifeform: accepts a block that ye olde trb wouldn'tve
mircea_popescu: it would actually be VERY INTERESTING to have a semantics- unpreserving client. let's see dude, wtf DOES happen ?
BingoBoingo: A least I suspect,
BingoBoingo: Still has required a few resets to overcome crapolade blackholes, but far less common after passing block 400,000 compared to 250,000 -350,000 where PRB unordered shit spewing of blocks complicates things
davout: I should be current in a few hours \o/
mircea_popescu: (this, fwiw, carries 0 water in mp's own dungeon. girl that had no way to know hangs just along well warned one. it IS a little chilling but what can you do.)
mircea_popescu: why, did i imply it was a train ?
asciilifeform: graf zepellin was a train on mircea_popescu's home planet ?!
mircea_popescu: o, right, there's no trains where you live. well... it's basically a tin can on wheels.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder how many people took a ho over to graf zepellin and fucked her there, during the 30s.
mircea_popescu: kinda what piracy was all about, get a man o war.
asciilifeform: anybody not a pirate ?
mircea_popescu: well if you're using a us navy ship you're definitely a pirate.
asciilifeform: it isn't a new idea by any means.
asciilifeform: well, it's a 'self destruct'
mircea_popescu: having a boat that can self-destruct is not.
mircea_popescu: two men land on deserted island, let's call them mrame pragger and fircea dopescu. they observe that a) monkeys are powerless b) there are no proper latrines and c) how dare you shit out in the open you stinked up the whole island. problem ?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 15:25 asciilifeform: i suspect that 'greybeard' holdouts, taleb et al, who 'bitcoin is a fad, will go into the sands of time, snoar' are on a sound logical footing, 'every OTHER attempt to combat massed stupidity has ultimately fallen, nuked by OurDemocracy, and the more brazen the assault, the quicker'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik there has not yet been birthed a civilization that has both reactors AND curbstomp-all-whiners. it is a theoretical possibility, like bricks of antimatter.
asciilifeform: ( more of, iirc, a hindu phenomenon than a christian one, but existed )
mircea_popescu: amusingly, in an earlier, simpler time of "men inhabit bare stone dugouts together", the ability to not stink without washing was regarded as about half of what made monk a candiate for sainthood.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626924 << i've been on a long term quest to find young men who are rich and not mentally retarded. it's pretty slow going. ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'you would not give passports to a furniture?'
asciilifeform: reminds me of a folk story from late '50s. shah of iran and his wife went to visit su. she, of course, takes entire household!111 literally, furniture and all, in classic eastern tradition; ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and in other hieroglyph lulz, me at travel agent, buying tickets. calls girl, "send so and so email a picture". beet red travel agent. "you know... i needed a copy of the passport". "what did you get ?" > nudegirl.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know ? " We aim to empower our customers" = hun go wun bo = # ; "is a leading full service supplier of high-quality" = bing ding shing ling = @
mircea_popescu: Framedragger a little more layered a pancake, but anyway.
asciilifeform: 'Trifork is a leading full service supplier of high-quality custom-built applications and end-to-end solutions. ... We aim to empower our customers...' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: -293.0-292.1 ie, mp "who is not truly a billionaire because reasons" is more than willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of the coins.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 15:11 asciilifeform: and 'dead bitcoin', esp. if it dies on enemy's terms, would imho be a technogenic catastrophe, quite comparable to, e.g., chernobyl. ( not for mircea_popescu 'i'm rich anyway, fuck everyone' , and not for other folx, who might not even have any; but for the concept of 'gold sans the guard labour')
mircea_popescu: which, considering the sad confluence of not dumb people who (self servingly, and shamelessly), "think" bitcoin code is perfect (hey, alpha dun wanna be bothered, yes ?) and imbeciles who "are being like suparheoes power rangers"... is a virtual certainty.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 15:08 asciilifeform: ( what ~can~ be done is to build a thing that could function in place of a dead bitcoin. )
mircea_popescu: it's a not terrible "garage chemistry lab" project, costs maybe fiddy bux a month or such\
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 14:54 asciilifeform: this went on for, iirc, a year or so, then got tired.
Framedragger: (granted, ssh-keygen is a pos.)
mircea_popescu: it is a tempting naivism to imagine the empire as a sort of frictionless monster, in which every limb gets full and impeded access to any tool it needs whenever it needs it. this however is not how any empire works irl.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 14:07 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. blackholing and to be alf-pessimistic for a second, node is exposed to risk of being blackholed as long as it uses TCP; because not only can enemy make it read packets (unavoidable in the end it seems), but there may be ways to making it send packets back.
asciilifeform: this ~was~ a stock openssh
Framedragger: some suggest to try with stock openssh server, to see if same happens. anyway, curious if sshd_config on your end has custom knobs (e.g. prefers one crypto format over another), but i guess the whole thing's a timesink
Framedragger: tbh that log snippet in that post (http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/), "evidently new ssh is needed altogether" reads a bit like "oh i need to generate ssh key for this to work? well fuck ssh, obvs it's a pos."
asciilifeform: this imho is why there is moar at stake than only a mechanized hawalatron.
asciilifeform: i suspect that 'greybeard' holdouts, taleb et al, who 'bitcoin is a fad, will go into the sands of time, snoar' are on a sound logical footing, 'every OTHER attempt to combat massed stupidity has ultimately fallen, nuked by OurDemocracy, and the more brazen the assault, the quicker' ☟︎
Framedragger: then again, it'd be a more powerful filter to deter stupid people.
Framedragger: you mean it would set a very bad precedent?
asciilifeform: folx with ~actual~ wealth (vs, say, usg payola, a la sv derps) tend to be ~very~ risk-averse when it comes to storage.
asciilifeform: and 'dead bitcoin', esp. if it dies on enemy's terms, would imho be a technogenic catastrophe, quite comparable to, e.g., chernobyl. ( not for mircea_popescu 'i'm rich anyway, fuck everyone' , and not for other folx, who might not even have any; but for the concept of 'gold sans the guard labour') ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( what ~can~ be done is to build a thing that could function in place of a dead bitcoin. ) ☟︎
Framedragger: i won't insist - you're right, we've already just had that chat on #b-a
asciilifeform: Framedragger: at the risk of repeating old thread : there is no way to 'replace bitcoin with trbi'. it isn't a thing that can be done.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 'not having a list' is not a pill against enumeration, considering how bitcoin is fundamentally a 'promiscuous' syphilitic whore protocol
Framedragger: i think it makes sense, thinking of the future, to eventually move to a model where there is no 'public trb node ip list'.
asciilifeform: at any given time, a few of these are ddosed.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: ddos as a concept relies on something having a 'the ip'
asciilifeform: this went on for, iirc, a year or so, then got tired. ☟︎
asciilifeform: Framedragger: in the old #bitcoin-assets days, there was a bot, that idled under (afaik still unknown) names, and would target ddostron (used vulnerable konsoomer router 'upnp' for udp amplification) at anyone who logged in without using fleanode's 'cloak' feature (i.e. had visible ip).
asciilifeform: BUT you in many cases ~do~ know that a given packet could not have originated from the supposed return addr.
asciilifeform: well unless you are a telepath, you don't know 'actual source'
Framedragger: also, ip packets with custom proto number would (1) stand out more easily to enemy, and could be more easily filtered out (vs. udp header with rng-data within) - see how chinese firewall blocked tor bridges etc etc; and (2) i'm sure quite a few appliances would filter them out by default (like how they filter out icmp, etc.)
asciilifeform: so as to be able to make a box that silently drops garden-variety udp spamola, if any comes
Framedragger: asciilifeform: hm, sure. (and i forgot about arbitrary RSTs by anyone in the path which destroy the session, heh.) do you know how the resource allocation compares to udp in a typical (say, linux kernel) networking stack?
Framedragger: (this is just to juxtapose topics of trb and gossipd for a second and to maybe show why some folks really like the lighthouse idea) :)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. blackholing and to be alf-pessimistic for a second, node is exposed to risk of being blackholed as long as it uses TCP; because not only can enemy make it read packets (unavoidable in the end it seems), but there may be ways to making it send packets back. ☟︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/ << Trilema - How I almost created a constellation of Bitcoin nodes
mircea_popescu: and in other news, anyone with a background in sales who's damned good at it want a job ?
trinque: I tend to have a couple trees pressed right next to each other, when testing a patch, when writing my own