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princessnell: economics is
the study of decisions
to allocate scare resources given unlimited wants
ThickAsThieves: and
then
this
transfers into designs of systems, complex problem-solving, computer modeling
ThickAsThieves: so maybe
there are ideal or dynamic or codependent or viral economies
ThickAsThieves: a game of life kind of
thing with economies as organisms or whatever
ThickAsThieves: what i'm working on, includes a suggestion
that
there are multiple
types of economies, each with roles/strengths
ThickAsThieves: can you illustrate it in contrast
to
the physics point?
princessnell: i
think it's bizarre
to call it non-teleological personally
ThickAsThieves: i dont
think an economy can be perfect, because all ecomonies must die eventually
ThickAsThieves: well, I see weaknesses in
that it contains itself within each of its requires elements, and
that
there is aguably a lack of distinction between
the punishment gazette and
the forum
thestringpuller: fluffypony: yea I
think
that story is a good
textbook example of "true love" or what have you
princessnell: ThickAsThieves curious, what do you
think
the
theory lacks?
fluffypony: thestringpuller: btw, watched
that clip with
the wife, was a little
teary at
the end :)
danielpbarron: what would be a decent bounty
to offer for someone
to figure out how
to compile ssss-0.5 on openbsd 5.5?
ThickAsThieves: right, so it's basically
trying
to understand how physics echoes into economies
benkay: thermodynamics is at
the root of everything, especially economics.
ThickAsThieves: it probably all boils down
to something super simple, like a basic physics concept
ThickAsThieves: this began a common
thread
through other observations about bitcoin and systems
ThickAsThieves: and maybe just scratching
the surface of something more applicable
ThickAsThieves: basically, since
that day i was
trying
to prove
that mp
assbot: Download And Suddenly
the Inventor Appeared.pdf
ThickAsThieves: i line a repeated a few
times at
the bitcoin conference: "You can't remove
trust from
transactions, you can only design it
to be where you prefer it"
princessnell: I'm writing about
that right now so I'm a bit anchored :)
princessnell: Well, you know what you're looking for. But if humans are involved in
the system,
then
those areas become indispensible.
thestringpuller: Where did XBOND's cashflow really come from
then? You were
trading drugs or something?
ThickAsThieves: i'm
trying
to approach it
to extract more absolute observations
princessnell: ThickAsThieves and probably
The Righteous Mind since
this ultimately involves moral sympathies
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: If you go ahead with
the Spinoza I recommend posterboard for note
taking
princessnell: ThickAsThieves I'd
think human psychology would factor into
those questions as well.
Thinking Fast and Slow would be a good start.
ThickAsThieves: someone else had mentioned Antifragile
to me for some other reason
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: RE: Not representing mining in any broad way. << You did operate assets
that correlated
to hashpower, so I just kinda figured you were a "mining something" you know?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: before
the Politics, You'd probably need
to read Spinoza's Ethics
to get
to some of
the WTF
ThickAsThieves: i want
to make sure i'm not inventing ideas someone else has already
ThickAsThieves: basically
theorizing about how all
these
things interact and how
to best design
them,
thinking of decenttalization and centralization as order and chaos, as
tools, not problems
ThickAsThieves: asciilifeform, i've been
trying
to write up some
thoughts on abstract system design concepts, stuff in
the area of mircea's perfect economy, systematics? dynamism, resilience, co-dependency, etc. Do you have any suggested reading?
pankkake: I don't
think creating a new coin is an honest attitude
pankkake: I don't
think it will be an altchain. Just hard-fork
the bitcoin blockchain into something actually better.
ThickAsThieves: the logic and design of bitcoin may be elegant, but it must still live
through
the filter of everything else
fluffypony: like him suddenly being wealthier
than all nations on
the earth combined and demanding
to be our overlord?
ThickAsThieves: having a large proportion of
the money isnt a problem per se
ThickAsThieves: they may all have similar weaknesses, but not all die
the same detah
ThickAsThieves: I
think people like
to forget
that bitcoin has plenty risks
to its life
fluffypony: pankkake: on scrypt GTX 750
ti does half
the hash rate of an AMD R280 at half
the cost, but it uses 40W of power instead of ~300W
pankkake: no,
their cards aren't very good for proof of works
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves:
their mining performance on
the Haswell chips is amazing
pankkake: I fail
to see
the centralization of ASICs. GPUs = AMD.
that's it. CPU = 99% Intel.
ThickAsThieves: <+asciilifeform>
ThickAsThieves: if ECDSA pops, afaik all known coins go with it /// lotsa ways
to kill a coin
pankkake: fluffypony: I
think you mean 12-17 males :D
fluffypony: everyone complains about every level - CPU mining?
terrible because botnets! GPU mining?
terrible because only 25-35 white males have GPUs! ASIC mining?
terrible because centralisation!