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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'd like to defend him by noting that social network != social media but dude's command of english leaves enough to be desired that this distinction isn't much of a leg to stand on
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu check yer pm, i found your eggog.
pete_dushenski: anyways Framedragger, i don't read nassim's use of 'social network' to refer to the zuckermovie or anything of the sort. he's naive but not ignorant enough to miss filtering effects. he'd doubtless include irc and pgpgrams in the category of mandarin-disrupting two-way comms. but i agree that his point is obscured by loose language.
Framedragger not on the right side of the pond to know, i guess
Framedragger: *of course*. i'm not completely certain that he meant the latter (i guess he did?) and if he did, whether what he described is actually the case ("actual social networks are used as source of info again!1" - maybe?)
Framedragger: that it predicts you will click on. a lot of that reduces to "things i agree with", which is not at all bazaar-like, iiut. unless he meant "people recognising fake news for what it is, and physical word-of-mouth becoming a tool again." the latter does not imply facebook, but still sounds much too naive to my ear, but i dunno.
Framedragger: markets and souks, there is a long term advantage to being dependable." << if he's saying what i think he's saying (social networks work again!1 people use them to understand things!1) then he's beyond naive, as the modern 'social network' is nothing like that of a bazaar. the former is ~basically facebook which on top of being...facebook, selectively filters and presents "your friends' stories"
Framedragger: lol guardian strikes again pete_dushenski "Even then someone at The Guardian tried (unsuccessfully) to tone down my letter by showing that it was some type of *disagreement* with what *I* said, not a correction of their misrepresentation"
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610852 << shot this dude (gautier de montmollin) an email last week and actually heard back from him. he said he was flattered at the invite but was under the assumption that 'bitcoin code was already perfect'. now seeing if i can wrangle him into channel for a visit. updates forthcoming. ☝︎
pete_dushenski: altaba ? bizarro mix of alibaba and altavista i guess
mircea_popescu: but i guess he has two weeks of fake news frenzy cca march 2017 to keep him warm for all that.
mircea_popescu: o shit, i didn't put the quotes in. blerg.
mircea_popescu: i do.
asciilifeform: btw i assume this is a brand-new box, there is no blockchain on it
mircea_popescu: hm, i dun think this workt.
mircea_popescu: also, architecture-wise : i plan to get my boxes in a ring, and link 1 of you fellows to each. unless objections to the arrangement.
mircea_popescu: slave supposedly ready to go, what ip do i tell addwire ?
asciilifeform: if i had a ticket to the mythical planet where programmers aren't retarded and 'the shame of poverty' is not smelled, we would not even be having the trb conversation.
mircea_popescu: what can i say. trinque has it.
asciilifeform: i dun have an alt-ssh (yes).
Framedragger: i expect most of those broken openssh keys were generated by ssh-keygen
ben_vulpes: but the pseudo-useful key generator is /cryptographically secure/ mircea_popescu, i don't know what you're complaining about
asciilifeform: ( re the recipe : 'autossh' is a c proggy, from heathendom, i have not audited it. this is one of the reasons for the skull'n'crossbones. there is a similar utility called 'RSTunnel' that consists solely of bash script. but i have not tested it . )
asciilifeform: true, it opens you up to 'hm which one do i have on THIS box' etc. which is why i like to keep the buildtron on each.
mircea_popescu: i guess this'd be it. i intend to rebuild on all of them.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i was thinking' of buying that 'ivory' and making a signal interposer . any idea whether the magic cpu was soldered down, or LIF socketed..? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understant : not everyone treats the boxes like his mother. i am of the people who treat them like his socks. no fucking way am i going to backup this. let the box suck it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: once you have the contents of 'deps' again, i recommend to back it up to another dir, and to burn a cd, those turds ain't ever changing -- there will only get ~fewer~ (when we ditch, e.g., bdb)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, i'm just giving him a hard time. because for srs!
ben_vulpes: if the makefile is intact, make ONLINE=1 i believe is the flag for autoprocure
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like this worked. confirmed that mod6's vtron doesn't check for file-exists, appends. (i won't even blame him, as such, this is the default idiot behaviour of gnudiff !)
mircea_popescu: as best i can tell.
mircea_popescu: i made a special directory for it, that was empty at start.
asciilifeform: oh i have a clue :
mircea_popescu: shall i hash it ? lessee
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how the binary would have come out then ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fact i can't actually patch it out as it won't match the correct file huh, it does line by line removal
mircea_popescu: i am at yer disposal
mircea_popescu: so, now i have your patch and seal alf. next ?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-21#1349879 << ah found it, that was a mod6 script I tweaked in some manner ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i can pasterbin if you'd like ?
trinque: I don't even remember what the shell script would've been. Probably some stab earlier at what became the makefiles
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-13#1626396 << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html << I wrote the first cut of those too. ☝︎
phf: i actually need to fix btcbase to make sure file names state consistent with vtronics model..
mircea_popescu: i'm as you well know the least intelligent or technically apt person here, and it takes a significant amount of backroom dealing as well as outright bribery to even get you lot to tolerate my presence.
asciilifeform: i assumed (apparently wrongly) that mircea_popescu remembered basic vtronics .
asciilifeform: i just said above: you put it in the .patches dir. and its seal, in your .seals
mircea_popescu: yes, stop squiriming and state for the record how do i add your experimental item to my build tree.
mircea_popescu: alrighty, so in order to add the wires i'd put in there 0x21) http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_wires_rev1.txt > asciilifeform_wires_rev1.asc ?
asciilifeform: ( i introduced it on feb. 23 )
asciilifeform: and i whined about it here
mircea_popescu: also out of date i take it ?
mircea_popescu: aite lemme see what i got here
mircea_popescu: i imagine you'll want a bunch
mircea_popescu: i intend to make a half dozen masters, slave them to each other, and then let people get pipes. l1terate people, obviously.
mircea_popescu: i do not.
mircea_popescu: aite, what do i do ?
mircea_popescu: so asciilifeform got an hour to hold my hand getting your ssh thing up ? i intend to bring a constellation and finally got everything lined up.
asciilifeform: i'm familiar with the usage, but it was a cache miss, been eons since i saw someone referred to as 'tourist'
asciilifeform: meanwhile in the test room, 'Serial correlation coefficient is 0.000000 (totally uncorrelated = 0.0).' << i had nfi this was possible
asciilifeform: so now i cannot say 'eh nobody emailed'
asciilifeform: at one time i found a reply from al 'uncle al' schwartz that sat in a spam queue for (yes) several years
asciilifeform: incidentally i finally agree with mircea_popescu : email dunwork
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-13#1626306 << on top of that i brought it up with a whisperer, i got back "oh yeah, the loper os guy! i emailed him some time ago, but didn't get any response. he probably thought i'm some kind of tourist." ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 13:51 mircea_popescu: i use lynx and curl.
Framedragger: requires jquery i think
ben_vulpes: i figured it was a shoo-in to provide a sham escape valve for 401k funbucks
BingoBoingo: I kinda thought it would have went through because USG needs more thrashing about in desperation.
ben_vulpes: oh i thought the failure of the don't-call-it-an-etf ripped the buy side clean out of the market though
asciilifeform: https://www.okqubit.net/symbolics << other photos from same, he has same memory, i/o, etc. as my unit.
asciilifeform: https://www.okqubit.net/symbolics/dsc05367.jpg << not my photo, but i have this type
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 01:41 phf: asciilifeform: i don't think that's a wasted effort. i got in touch with zeptobars people again, and my current best option (since they said shipping to russia is maddness) is to travel moscows sometime in summer and hand deliver the chip. assuming that i have one, but i take it you're no longer interested since "snap4 source"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-13 00:13 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i dug out my crate of dead bolix boards, turns out i'm a chump, the pcb in question was a dead xl1200 ~i/o~ board. the only cpu on it is what looks like a z80! 0 smbx silicon.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i dug out my crate of dead bolix boards, turns out i'm a chump, the pcb in question was a dead xl1200 ~i/o~ board. the only cpu on it is what looks like a z80! 0 smbx silicon. ☟︎☟︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/i-love-her-or-collection-des-billets-doux-cca-2017/ << Trilema - I love her, or, Collection des billets-doux cca 2017.
mircea_popescu: strongest rebuff i know of the whole "ustards, psssh." angle.
Framedragger: yes yes i understand, the cherry on top is that you make sure it's also *easy*.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i understand, but i mean the *detail*, etc. - it's a nice manual with everything spelled out for the user
Framedragger: ^ should be gold standard for hw vendors for all i know
Framedragger: i really admire the amount of effort you took to carefully spell out ways of auditing the thing
asciilifeform: i made the mistake of editing the text on a crapple shitintosh
mircea_popescu: i got more letters apparently.
fake_space_whale: Is there an intro to trilema somewhere? I tried poking around the website and didn't find anything in my brief hunt.
Framedragger: i see what you mean - knowledge gained on the problem space, processes with dealing with problems and researching this domain developed, etc.
Framedragger: probably worth thinking about it more, it'd be quite a spiffy thing indeed... that said, i have a more general concern with time-sunk-cost-to-trb. i do wonder how realistic it is to expect a trb-i in the years to come. if it is, then working on shitty legacy trb codebase is opportunity cost par excellence :( ; but, maybe testing harness could be generic enough to be easily re-usable.
Framedragger: this would require a decently thought out testing framework (i don't mean shitty-web-framework, just, a systematized approach)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 01:58 ben_vulpes: anyways, having thought about "testing" trb, i am interested to hear what kinds of tests framedragger would write
mircea_popescu: well i fucked it up, said tanks twice. first one is metals.
asciilifeform: aite, i'm all ears
asciilifeform: butno srsly i have nfi what mircea_popescu meant here.
asciilifeform: can i use 'i didn't imagine that's what you mean' in the phrase table, or has mircea_popescu trademarked !
mircea_popescu: myeah. i expect you could.
asciilifeform: y'know, i could write an eliza that 'wins' arguments this way
mircea_popescu: how this would work -- i've no idea, but technically i suppose it's there.
mircea_popescu: i didn't imagine that's what you mean.
asciilifeform: or so i read from 'im involved in the aiming'
asciilifeform: i suspect that we've unearthed the point of disagreement here
asciilifeform: but not 'i draw up a house and expect that the floor will hold my 48 pianos' ?
mircea_popescu: but i wouldn't say "when i pull trigger i expect round to discharge". because i don't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu would not structure phrase, e.g., 'when i aim the rifle and pull trigger i expect to hit the target' ?