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mircea_popescu: that's why it's there, to not get stuck in traffic. "oh, i got a scrape and then i put disinfectant on it which infected it".
Framedragger: (this might also a be good kickinass to finally move to db, however, no time till april, so considering quickdirtierfix for now, which is a bit yuck)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 00:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik that's a chinese brand.
asciilifeform: funnily enough, it was very much a train, but was still called 'ibm' train.
mircea_popescu: you know, at the time the samovar wasn't yet a train
mircea_popescu: and a universal if foolish unawareness of the republic.
asciilifeform: aha, if not for... a plane crash here , an idiot there.
asciilifeform: in other types of leisure reading, 'scientific american' (i recently bought half a century's worth of'em, monster crate) also same types of people
mircea_popescu: basically people'd steal whatever govt office supplies, make a... well i guess a sort of blog, really. 90s.
mircea_popescu: maybe a thousand different, most with <12 editions.
mircea_popescu: no pipe, no shell. that much. pretty sure there was an awkatron as a command.
asciilifeform: and yeah , an nc-like proggy can make life on a shell-less os almost tolerable. but (as i described in earlier thread) that is not the only use.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was described in a trilema
mircea_popescu: fortunately, this hasn't been a thing in a decade by now.
mircea_popescu: trinque it was part of my survival kit for "gotta use a windows system"
phf: trinque: i've been there, i used exwm for a couple of months. there's no end to the rabbit hole when it's made out of bits, is my point
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 00:44 phf: well, i realized that environment micro optimizations are mostly a waste of time, and that something like emacs is one of the worst offenders.
trinque caps workflow improvements to a with-coffee endeavor, avoids http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-21#1630088 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ~everyone i knew using it for srs first composed a string for paper.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 21:36 phf: that's another reason, why i don't for example, "hack my python with vim like a real hacker". give me the filthiest, most feature rich IDE, where i can just push spacebar to get half of my scaffolding, or whatever kids these days
phf: and screws are fastened using a drill, not hammer
mircea_popescu: fucking TERRIBLE idea, "oh, let's shove a hard item through the panes, that'll show 'em!"
asciilifeform: it is a manacle.
phf: but in structural carpentry by the way they don't use nails, drills and screws. (i have experience with that one, and last time i did a build i don't think we even had a hammer)
asciilifeform: long ago, asciilifeform did some hard time in a java salt mine, liked editor 'idea'
asciilifeform: he did mention a java editor
mircea_popescu: your asking has very little in common with asking and a lot in common with "i'll just make up some random shit within 0.1 s and challenge everyone to prove it wrong"
asciilifeform: well sure, maybe 'carpenter' now means a fella who blows houses from plastic, in one shot.
mircea_popescu: you can be a carpenter without a hammer.
asciilifeform: 'i sold my hammer' 'i suppose you are not a carpenter no moar?'
phf: i didn't actually quit programming, omg. this is reminiscent of the whisperers thread, where a strawman, once chosen, because the only possible direction of conversation
mircea_popescu: solutions come in a tree.
mircea_popescu: but there is a different vehicle.
asciilifeform: there isn't a different town.
mircea_popescu: could you possibly also consider yopu know, just going to a different town ?
asciilifeform: if there were one of these per six metres of road, i'd consider a tracked vehicle.
mircea_popescu: well, shouldn't you have a barrel of asphalt in your car, fix the hole ? serious people go about with barrel of asphalt tied to car.\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, suppose you run your car over a pothole. what do you do now ?
ben_vulpes: to play priest of heterodoxy for a moment, what is wrong with grep in place of `who-calls`, works for any-lang
mircea_popescu: doing a $.45 fix.
mircea_popescu: what he's proposing is that it's a tad ridiculous to keep, like every honest taxpaying, they took our jerbs murican, shiny toolkit in garage, that cost 5k to buy and used a total of 400 watts in its entire life
mircea_popescu: yes, i understand that man drowning in complexishit may find various straws to help himself keep breather holes above level for a week longer.
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : if your program is compelx enough you forgot who-calls and it is not actually addressed to a large enough problem space, maybe it's time to review why you're writing it.
mircea_popescu: "but the hammer's so nice" "dude we're discussing a tool by itself" "don't you think it's nice ?"
asciilifeform: suppose you write a ~new~ proggy, phf
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 01:15 phf: btcbase still runs on slime, but it's a 30 line el file that lives in the repo itself.
phf: who-calls ~what~? ~when~? why am i even asking that question? we're discussing a tool outside of specific problem, which is precisely "harmful habits" manifestation
asciilifeform: enjoying typing out by hand 'least-negative-normalized-single-float' twenty times a day?
phf: but otherwise i use whatever. it's sort of like, if you don't have a hammer, you don't go pounding nails when you have nothing btter to do
phf: i sometimes load it to do a macro transform on a particularly gnarly file
phf: btcbase still runs on slime, but it's a 30 line el file that lives in the repo itself. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why regrets - noun wouldn't work in a language where regrets - verb in perfective aspect works out of the box and without glue. in romanian it needs glue to work, and you can say "hey, no glue for noun so you can't do that!"
mircea_popescu: it doesn't really work in romanian. i mean, a common honorific for the deceased is "regretatul" ie, the regretted. but that's about as far as that goes.
mircea_popescu: that i'd rather he had a sane woman to take him to the hospital.
mircea_popescu: (though it's a welcome exercise, in passing, to consider HOW would you rigurously prove an apple doesn't cure sun eclipse.)
mircea_popescu: ie, it's one thing to tell yokel your apple's a mango, it's another thing to claim your apple cures sun eclypse.
mircea_popescu: large companies without a point or purpose adrift in economic anomie essentialy become IDF packagers.
mircea_popescu: it's exactly like nightmare fuel in media. a substance that makes people with money and no clue imagine happy thoughts.
ben_vulpes: because "go back to your fucking cubicle and file a purchase request for seven more servers"
ben_vulpes: this is a subset of the "programmers are bad at cost/benefit evaluation" thread
mircea_popescu: i wish someone here made a garage band so i could write lyrics for them.
mircea_popescu: come along now an' let's play that strange game where errything's a key!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno about yours, on my kbd there is not a clit..
asciilifeform: fwiw i turn a knob or two in .emacs , every other year or so.
mircea_popescu: there is this very specific failure mode whereby computerists who for naive reasons decide "they don't play computer games" end up game-ifying their daily life. it is way the fuck better to level up a warlock than to dick around "saving" typing and growing a crop of tomatoes on your balcony.
asciilifeform: and yes emacs is a glue trap.
asciilifeform: phf: this is not untrue, but i'll be damned if i EVER consider hitting a key 70times in a row, a legitimate part of life, ever.
phf: well, i realized that environment micro optimizations are mostly a waste of time, and that something like emacs is one of the worst offenders. ☟︎
phf: i've been reflecting on the implications of that point with one of the effects that i stopped using emacs (a while ago).
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1630030 << we had a thread where mp's said something like "i don't have rsi because i'm literate". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in the same vein : new dork (at least i've not seen him before) with apparent delusions of "management" at place i normally frequent. i tell him to bring me a dozen empanadas para llevar. he... didn't understand, at first, then on second pass told me to go to "the different counter", then got invited to go search for his mother's cunt, which rendered him apoplectic. /me went to other place down the street he also frequents, g
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik that's a chinese brand. ☟︎
asciilifeform: anyway it isn't a 'replacement for emacs', and serious emacsists do sometimes spit, 'i can do this from TRAMP' etc.
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, a 20 y.o. archive from simtel.
ben_vulpes: well if you muck about in the dumps of civilization a rad suit is probably a good idea
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'who sent the garbage' is, in my case, a malware author.
ben_vulpes: > .rar inside a .tar.gz inside a .zip
asciilifeform: extract for me, in ordinary shell, from a .rar inside a .tar.gz inside a .zip, JUST THE files that differ from a subdir inside a .zip in a certain .rar. and copy to a freshly stood up box with NOTHING but bash/sshd on it.
ben_vulpes: once i have a grasp on sentences, grammar, i can probably get pronounciation with a few hours of teevee
ben_vulpes: i thought that was like a file browser or some such
asciilifeform: (if you view orc txt on a box set to ascii)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 23:17 ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there a "nodictionaries" for russian?
ben_vulpes: lulcoinz: consider running a fully-validated node
ben_vulpes: yeah ~right. segwit, aka "blockchains that don't validate" isn't a thing, and "bitcoin unlimited" wtf is that even
lulcoinz: trb specifically (I know what a btc node is)
lulcoinz: what is a trb node (sorry for my ignorance)
ben_vulpes: no but seriously, why even bother hoping? run a trb node, insulate yourself from the retardation.
lulcoinz: if there is a god, I don't think he gives a shit my (or anyone elses) prayers :)
lulcoinz: so do you guys think there will actually be a hard fork anytime soon?
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there a "nodictionaries" for russian? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: gosh golly, "pushing the envelope" was such a quaint affair in 1985.
asciilifeform: somewhere. i found it on a chalkboard, in uni.
mircea_popescu: "i don't give a shit about rutherford's labels" dun reduce to "there were none" except in your own frame.
mircea_popescu: nobody with a name is replaceable. this follows from the definitions.
mircea_popescu: europe is eternal, unlike africa, americas etc. a lot like china, actually.
asciilifeform: trinque: uniquely bad example, ww1+2 put a very permanent, i suspect, hole through 'euro civilization'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: again, not 'arbitrary' for purpose of subj , put a bullet ( or dose of gamma, or whatnot ) through bacterial culture, and it closes the hole in a few hrs, and who could say there ever was a hole. but try same hole through mouse, or man.
asciilifeform: aha -- interestingly, ~90% of a freshly dead mouse, or man, is 'alive'
asciilifeform: whereas if instead of dish you have a mouse, having such things as white cells, liver, other 'specialized parts', then considerably higher bar.
mircea_popescu: naught besides the obvious "happens in a head".