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BingoBoingo: I have a feeling many famous last words begin with "I'm switching to CERN linux, no way the NSA fucks with science..."
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asciilifeform: decimation: by and large they care about... paycheck
asciilifeform: (in approximately the same way emacs does)
decimation: ascii that is a good insight (lack of engineers caring about their own lives), the irony is that those who are designing hardware generally care an aweful lot about the efficiency of their design target
BingoBoingo: Y tu Sun 5
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BingoBoingo: "Smoking rock candy is a great way to gain all the social benefits of meth use with none of the open sores.
asciilifeform: on top of whatever os you're stuck with
asciilifeform: cad app is one of those cases where a 'proper' solution involves essentially re-creating a smbx box
decimation: about a third of my us ee undergrad class was chinese (like off the boat, not second generation). Most of them couldn't design anything, but they generally aced the math tests
BingoBoingo: Of course the chinese (and Indian) folks
asciilifeform: the set of folks who design hardware and actually give a shit about workflow (or their lives) is approximately null.
asciilifeform: educate whom? the chinese folks graduating from american schools, who will design with a crayon if ordered to?
decimation: something other than market forces are operating here
BingoBoingo: Also amazing is how there is no effort to educate people into the overlap
decimation: amazingly, the overlap between those who know how to actually program and those who demand design software is nearly the null set
BingoBoingo: Or Maybe just I burn, because I need to rotate this pizza box that has been running for months.
asciilifeform: ask why there is a desert, not why the oasis is a puddle of piss
BingoBoingo: And now the world burns
BingoBoingo: Their promotion of TCL is what pushed them into making and forcing Java
BingoBoingo: decimation: Blame Sun for Tcl
decimation: from surfing the various VHDL crapware packages, it seems the universal language for automation is... tcl
BingoBoingo: I have to say I constantly under rate the Sun 5
asciilifeform: if you ever sit and 'my life suxx', consider that people... live with this
asciilifeform: not only did it not build, but the entire tool chain was... winblows
asciilifeform: at one point, some years ago, i tried to build the turd intel was passing off as their version of 'open source bios'
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure one of these layers have grep....
asciilifeform: and condemned to use various cockeyed substitutes provided 'helpfully' by the turdware folk
asciilifeform: the real nasty re: orcad isn't the cost (leech it) but that you end up in an os with no sane infrastructure (where's grep? etc)
BingoBoingo wonder this if this nest of lies within lies can work on the portable...
decimation: it amazes me that crapware can buy a such real estate
BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon"
decimation: Today I went snorkeling in the shadow of Larry Ellison's private island
decimation: "we'll fix it in in the next release, etc"
decimation: yeah that's a good point, that's why the software companies get away with charging $$$ for crapware
BingoBoingo: My this looks so much better (Plz noone try to send me N.vir over client to client)...
asciilifeform: decimation: the field suffers from 'golden toilet' problem
decimation: I remember orcad's autorouter was crap back in the day. I would be deeply disappointed to shell out $$$ and have crapware
asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones.
decimation: seems like that problem is due for a really good ai based solver
decimation: wrt the autorouter, I think it is well known in the pcb industry that they all suck
decimation: it's just that no one wants to come up with new ideas for the most part. this qucs thing is the only new idea I've heard about in awhile http://qucs.sourceforge.net/
decimation: back in my undergrad days we used to use orcad on solaris - I'm sure support for that was dropped long ago
asciilifeform: other than cadsoft's. it's rather turdalicious, but usable
decimation: heh. wouldn't suprise me. For some weird reason the only working ee design software runs on windows
asciilifeform: took me a week to get it to build, too
asciilifeform: i suspect they only test under winblows
asciilifeform: decimation: it. and the gui (shits snow on the screen)
decimation: what part failed - the autorouter? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I'd confess I'm tempted to run A/UX on this machine in a hypervisor, but... I don't want this channel to assume stockholm syndrome...
decimation: asciilifeform: so I see you tried kicad - that seems to be the latest open source fad cad
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what minix is that? certainly not the one in my schoolbook
BingoBoingo: The problem with Minix is when I read a FAQ and they assume a hypervisor... It's like a girl taking off her panties to release the smell of Candida...
gribble: Linus Torvalds - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds>; Free minix-like kernel sources for 386-AT - Google Groups: <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.os.minix/4995SivOl9o>; Linux Device Drivers, 2nd Edition: Preface - XML.com: <http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/ch00.html>
BingoBoingo: Imma drink moar and think about it.
BingoBoingo: Hmmm... OpenSolaris has a Linux compatibility layer and I like CDE... Never tried it on the Portable yet...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: choice of softs: helps to sit and think about what you actually want from the machine, other than heating the room
BingoBoingo: Nah, hanging, because blocking itself in a controlled way. One core is at 100% the other lazing like usual.
Namworld: At last. Each time I tried to reconnect I was disconnected after like 1 second.
BingoBoingo: Even if it isn't exploited it sucks around the edges.
BingoBoingo: It isn't just that it crashed, it is that it can't copy /var into a .tar.gz in a timely manner.
asciilifeform: the choice of what kind of wheeled coffin to perish in is an intensely personal matter...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo - understand that not all crashes are exploitable
BingoBoingo: I embrace bad life decisions like that. I detest Bicycles though because they endager nerves that are too valuable...
BingoBoingo: I'm also wondering did firefox crash because of tabs or because of Cryptome. Cryptome crashing Firefox seems like a sloppy thing, but then aain they passed Snowden on the background check
asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ThickasTheives Altcoin is holding me back.
BingoBoingo: So for purposes where linux is not readily replaced by a BSD I might need a new flavor. Is gentoo the consensus sane choice?
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asciilifeform: [insert the tired old mozart joke here]
asciilifeform: (recall the old-fashioned camera flash bulbs)
asciilifeform: in glass jar (outdoor, just in case.) see if you can get the stoichiometry of air in jar and Mg right
BingoBoingo: A bit of anthracite and oak should get NAND up to adequate temperatures.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try magnesium
BingoBoingo: Or... this SSD is getting up there in years... Might be time to get a barrel...
diametric: use truecrypt. hehehehe
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afraid you're on your own for this one, my hands are full
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can I trust you if I send you this machine's Var partition all GPG'd up somehow?
BingoBoingo: diametric: That's it's name nao.
BingoBoingo: NIGbuntu is trying to tell me I don't have any system logger
asciilifeform experienced drowned computers one and only time - on 2nd floor of a gigantic office park. no prizes for guessing how
diametric: asciilifeform: you're still online, so i take it you didn't drown today
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mozilla crash report, dmesg about to go in dpaste https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611
benkay: downloading, but it's definitely going in below the Hathaway letters.
asciilifeform: ^ ignore the sensational cover, it's a pretty good schoolbook
asciilifeform: re: humint: intro textbook:
BingoBoingo: Explain this to me like I'm Usagi
BingoBoingo: You have to remember, Librarian... HTML and twitter were what we called technology
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How do I get a stack trace?
asciilifeform: stack trace?
BingoBoingo: Oh, that was an interesting link to cause Firefox to crash...
asciilifeform: (what the word 'spy' means to folks who actually earn their bread by spying)
asciilifeform: as in, recruiting traitors
benkay: agenture - huh, as in the acts of agents?
benkay: no need to apologize for my poor education
asciilifeform: benkay: 'humint' to english folks
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo more or less summarized the one interesting gibblet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still with the fucking pdfs. anything good in that sandkey thing ?