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mircea_popescu: dude this chick actually got it.
mircea_popescu: ers obviate the need for trust in the money changers, but humans are still trust-seeking and Bitcoin is still money and money is still trust. In a post-Bitcoin world, trust will become more important than ever."
mircea_popescu: "The problem here is not the diagnosis, which I share, nor the proposed solutions, which are proper and potent to repel the growing democratic sickness that chokes human creation. Bitcoin provides us a critical escape from forced trust in unaccountable monopolies. However, trust in transactions, per se, should not be the object of ire and in fact cannot be if we want to participate in beneficial ways. Distributed ledg
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cgcardona_: ok just wanted to check if this nick had any messages
mircea_popescu: this, since the 80s.
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> and how is it becoming less resilient << no comms network is as resilient as the internet
dub sheds a tear for his DMS100 days
asciilifeform: i've more battery in here than in the cabinets. sad.
dub: you're not wired back to a full CO anymore and the cabinet has no better battery than a cell tower
dub: the emergency service arguemtn for pots is fast becomming irrelevant as teh network becomes less resilient
Mats_cd03: i suppose i should scale it back to natural disaster
Mats_cd03: poor cell tower coverage, necessary to have a working phone in an emergency (e.g. elderly person), zombie apocalypse, etc
mircea_popescu: (trivial to tap too. if you think gsm cypher is bad, try headset-and-hairpins)
dub: I have pots signal on my dsl line but I couldnt tell you the number
asciilifeform: i can get pseudo-landline (tack-on to fiber terminal) for around 10 usd / mo. but... why?
dub: not so slowly tbh
Mats_cd03: sucks to suck
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thye're not so considered in europe but idem gohing extinct
asciilifeform: so they're slowly going extinct
dub: nobody has a hardline these days so its a valid offering
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform is probably going to tell me im getting ripped off
Mats_cd03: neat, ill have something else i can do with the device im ordering
asciilifeform: all u.s. providers, last i checked, charged exactly the same on femtocell.
dub: thats up to provider
asciilifeform: yeah, pay per minute for the privilege of using own hardware.
dub: femtocells, meh you get to use your handset
asciilifeform: before the telco 'network extender' gizmos were sold (incidentally, a scam - the telco still charges for minutes despite using the chump's own local wired bandwidth!) mitm-ing was demonstrated using 'software defined radio' (inexpensive board, does exactly what is printed on the crate)
gribble: A5/1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/1>; A5/2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/2>; Animation of A5/1 cipher - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgZAI3DdUA4>
asciilifeform: e.g. the toy crypto of gsm
asciilifeform: but this isn't particularly interesting. the interesting part is that everything people speak of as 'inseekoore!' re: cellular comms, was baked in very deliberately - and publicly - at the start.
asciilifeform: other u.s. telcos have similar products
asciilifeform: if i like, i desolder the rom and introduce mine.
asciilifeform: used to be that it took actual sweat to source 'miniature tower' radio components
asciilifeform: ^ vendor declared victory after disabling easy firmware update mechanism on the gadget. board still has jtag port, removable flash, etc.
Mats_cd03: i was under the impression the equipment for this kind of thing was approaching <$1000
gribble: It's a Cinch for Hackers to Break Into Your Verizon Network - Gizmodo: <http://gizmodo.com/its-a-cinch-for-hackers-to-break-into-your-verizon-netw-790461949>; How To Compete With NSA By Hacking a Verizon Network Extender ...: <http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/07/16/1343238/how-to-compete-with-nsa-by-hacking-a-verizon-network-extender>; DailyTech - Hackers Show Regular (1 more message)
asciilifeform: incidentally, one can trivially bake the cellular mitm gizmo from consumer hardware. (exercise for alert reader)
asciilifeform: probably exactly this appears on the grant applications, yes.
Mats_cd03: like it costs the telcos money to staff people responding to LEO requests for access
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform sees monsters in the shadows
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was gonna answer 'but nobody used self-signed certs' - then remembered having done so personally at one point
mircea_popescu: basically, technology has already made the state impossible, just at the time bitcoin showed up but mostly unrelated to it.
mircea_popescu: moreover, they have very little option in the matter, as their safety strictly depends on this sort of secrecy.
mircea_popescu: now any terrorist and any tax evader has good title to refuse any sort of information sharing, much like the prosecutor's own men do.
mircea_popescu: on one hand, the legal principle that dorks a la mari reid & her crew may be kept secret will logically extend to defendants, too.
assbot: Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com
mircea_popescu: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jun/04/major-terrorism-trial-secret-first-time-legal-history << re this pile of lol
mircea_popescu: it had no access to self-signed certs.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs << not that simple.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> imagine a manufacturer of, say, ups, or tv, whatnot, posting an update like this. << this is a 2012 comment.
Blazedout419: omg so who is going to buy into sha on havelock?
assbot: Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com
asciilifeform: this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs
asciilifeform: the next 'new york death ray' idiot won't play ball? won't make the necessary phone call? now it can be made... for him.
asciilifeform: the interesting thing is that there is theoretically no need for such a thing, considering that towers are more or less owned by usg
asciilifeform: (consumer pnohes make no effort to authenticate - whatsoever - so this is trivial)
asciilifeform: ^ turd concerns the use of a well-known mitm gizmo for cellular
assbot: US Marshals step in, thwart efforts to learn about cell tracking devices | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: It still isn't too late for that.
asciilifeform: afaik, these 'robots' were originally intended for 'micromanagement' types to roll around a factory floor, pointing remote-controlled laser pointer at lazy monkeys, mouthing obscenities through speaker
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wtf is the point?
assbot: Snowdenbot wasnt just for TED, now lives in his ACLU lawyers office | Ars Technica
asciilifeform finds u.s. uni professors hotlinking to images on his site; tempted to replace with goatse
kakobrekla: dunno then why silicon valley isnt silicon anymore.
asciilifeform: i suspect that: when they tape out a dud asic, they simply... take preorders longer.
asciilifeform: likewise, luring people into preorders to fund a chip fab project almost makes sense. but boards?
asciilifeform: i can almost understand taking preorders if you're a broke, ragged dervish. but these folks have already exited that stage.
asciilifeform: and this.
asciilifeform: why this never happens?
asciilifeform: imagine a manufacturer of, say, ups, or tv, whatnot, posting an update like this.
asciilifeform: ^ what happens to folks who refuse to do arithmetic before going into production
asciilifeform: 'The new, thicker copper layer did resolve the heat build up from the current flow. Temp has been reduced by 20C with the new boards.' (from jborkl, quoting bfl co. lamenting its troubles.)
asciilifeform prodded colleague to reg with gribble. he digs out pgp key from... 1992.
benkay: huh check out that registration date
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asciilifeform: (it was pushed as 'only for the lulz', note)
mircea_popescu: in spite of all the pretense as to "exchanges" and tips and whatnot, it'd seem 99%+ of all doges are actually held by the admin group
BingoBoingo: Anyone ever front you that billion Doge to take a short position?
BingoBoingo: lol, is that Dogecoin trying to build some interest?
BingoBoingo: The trend says yes, but the externalities say no.
BingoBoingo: I really don't think we are making it to a third adjustment.
mircea_popescu: damn it's tight.
kakobrekla: the way of the road.
mike_c: yeah. it's a bit of a mess. but such is the life of a young altcoin.
Apocalyptic: to avoid these hoppers
mike_c: two parties involved. pool-hoppers, and then unbalanced trying to screw the pool hoppers.
kakobrekla: someone hopping the diff?
mike_c: and now it's at 6 th/s
mike_c: nethash was at 5 th/s. then it plummetted to 1 th/s after last diff change.
mike_c: it's at like 6 th/s
mike_c: not with this nethash
BingoBoingo: I hope ATC crashes to Doge prices for a while.
mike_c: 57 down, 143 to go
BingoBoingo: ;;rate TheNewDeal's screen -1 Biased
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: That's because your screen plays favorites
TheNewDeal: Altcoin makes the cut, but idiff is too frisky?
BingoBoingo: Altcoin, Less Risky than Idiff
mircea_popescu: <jurov> on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing? << too risky