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asciilifeform: as it is, if grep -i -r unchecked * returns nil, and proggy builds in my gnat -- it is kosher ada
diana_coman: asciilifeform, urgh, I'd rather ask: how I can PREVENT this being done
asciilifeform: the interesting q to ask re a system is not 'can idiots make a sham version' but 'can i tell that this was done'
phf: asciilifeform: it's too big of an item, but ~they still totally do~ you just need to go to burning man. plenty of people are "i build art for the big burn, can handle big machines"
asciilifeform: i suspect that this will not happen, however. the language has 0 appeal ~other than~ for the safety.
asciilifeform: then again, i could be wrong, they could shit out 'tools' that 'autogenerate the hard parts' or whatnot.
asciilifeform: phf: i have a hard time picturing said 'modernization' as looking like anything other than 'let's turn it into cpp'
mircea_popescu: phf yeh i recall that threat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the term i usually use is 'ecological problem' -- and it is tricky, because how do you demonstrate that something is one, beyond dispute. this may be why various derps like to go straight to masquerading as ecologists...
diana_coman: certainly more fundamental; I talked about code because I write code, not because the issue is not clearly visible otherwise
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633736 <- I actually think that is a characteristic worth knowing how to replicate in one's own programs: after all the horrors I saw, I quite find it a bad thing that well done code tends to be basically too forgiving on idiots ☝︎
asciilifeform: builders, for instance, who thought 'i'll just lay a pile of whatevers and call it a house' were buried alive by fucking hammurabi.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633751 << quite. like work in cleaning operating room before operating is not wasted. "I JUST WANNA GET TO THE KNIFIGN!!" "then might i suggest a back alley knife fight somewhere ?" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 13:20 asciilifeform: fwiw the part i found most painful was the 'access' (pointer) rules. generally you can't have a pointer unless you can demonstrate that it can never dangle
mircea_popescu: tis not chile, which is why i had french wine with my fish yest.
mircea_popescu: the only worthy equiv in ro is the one with the hedgehog's hole which im sure i recounted.
BingoBoingo: Well I was going to guess Liberia, but you said unsure about generators
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is gonna be more fun than i had thought. << Ecuador?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc vinylon (aka 'juche fiber', i shit thee not) not only feels slightly stiffer than nylon, but is undyable
asciilifeform: hare : 'i heard they catch camels round here, and when caught, you get buggered, then castrated'
mircea_popescu: actually i can tell ye this : in the above context, "not legal" also includes situations where it's technically legal but more expensive to comply than worth bothering (worth as defined by mass scale producers)
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ye.
asciilifeform: it's gonna end up a trick, 'ahaha i'm on OTHER END of buenos aires', lel
mircea_popescu: this is gonna be more fun than i had thought.
shinohai: I think those types will always exist .... I found it mirthful that they showed up in the comments section of the dao hacker article on trilema.
asciilifeform: eventually one -- learns. and then you begin to see the monkeys who 'why should i have to look for a special place before taking a shit, i can do it wherever' as the loathesome things they are.
asciilifeform: i don't bring them up together out of superficial similarity, but from fundamental one -- v rejects 'merge' as a concept; ada rejects the promiscuous pointer and cast
mod6: I hope it's not too prohibitive.
mod6: i've quite noticed that actually. i was trying to figure out "packages" and did an evening worth of headbanging.
mod6: yeah, def. i learn best by doing, indeed.
mod6: right, ya, something like that. i've got the links to all the sample proggies from before too. so, maybe i'll extend one of them, or that one, or make my own.
mod6: something to get into it a bit, but not too deep. before I try to dig into anything on the btctron level.
mod6: yah, im not sure im quite there yet. what i really need to start in on is a decent enough sample program.
asciilifeform: fwiw the part i found most painful was the 'access' (pointer) rules. generally you can't have a pointer unless you can demonstrate that it can never dangle ☟︎
mod6: i've been going through ada95, and it helps with some of the weird stuff like X` and P` or whatever.
mod6: i have to say that some of the ada stuff is a bit non-obvious by syntax only.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633701 << i regret to inform ben_vulpes that reading the book (pick anything that is about ada95 or post) is actually necessary -- a number of things (e.g., the very 'fascist' access variable rules) will make 0 sense until you do ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 06:55 mircea_popescu: there's a certain artisan's "i will touch all the items" vein in there.
ben_vulpes: could just have readily have been 'conquest' if i were in a pandering mood
ben_vulpes: although i imagine less 'army of lovers' and more 'everyone who *didn't* shit in the codebase is doing pushups'
mircea_popescu: also relates, i bet.
ben_vulpes: oops there i go being nonjudgemental again
mircea_popescu: there's a certain artisan's "i will touch all the items" vein in there. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i always thought that was by choice rather than necessity.
ben_vulpes: i take entirely adequate notes, tyvm
mircea_popescu: i hope you're keeping very elaboratedly detailed notes
ben_vulpes: i have more permutations and combinations to run
a111: Logged on 2015-07-02 21:36 phf: mircea_popescu: i'll keep that i mind. i'd like to give it a try, but i still have memories of tedium and despair from last time i tried building a crystal space project on mac
shinohai: Why yes, I *do* want to follow you upstairs.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that at any point since henry was the "legal system" so much of a joke.
mircea_popescu: in other oh wows, elena udrea (ro slut politician, quite successful. http://trilema.com/2009/super-terrific-caption-hour-part-i/ ) got convicted for nothing in particular (her party no longer in power), 5 years. ☟︎
asciilifeform: these will end up 'interned', i.e. represented in the db, in such a way that any tx referred to inside a tx is fetched in O(1)
asciilifeform: (i.e. fetching an output or input is a simple array access)
mircea_popescu: what was the initialism standing for, did i miss ?
mircea_popescu: i expect.
asciilifeform: i must confess, this is 90% of the work there will be, in any attempt to convert nqb into a btctron.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how we correctly sear this open sore.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, whichj isn't much, i don't expect perelman gave much of a shit about it all before, either. not exactly "driven into" or anythjing
asciilifeform: outputs also get a place to store 'who-spent', which is an index to the input who spends them (if such exists.) this is practical because the main db is not affected by reorgs (only 'nursery' is. currently i've defined 'nursery' to store the leading train of 144 blox. this is adjustible.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633557 << i've been greatly enjoying not needing ANY of that nonsense in 'nqb' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 01:45 asciilifeform: quite srsly, i'd like to know : phf now uses what? 'ed' ? does he still write programs for money ? in commonlisp? in selfsame 'ed' ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170328/#579 << for some reason "Exec exec unclutter" made me lol. i expect i don't understand how thr world etc.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this'd hafta be sermaye pizdiasi kurgolu
mircea_popescu: shinohai i thought the farc finally went on the govt dole last month.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633429 << we did https://68.media.tumblr.com/fa9a2501411802f10f1ddcaf88a17b7f/tumblr_o218aqlfjI1sk3xdpo1_500.gif I take it ? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: buncha girls naked but for the aks... i could see it.
asciilifeform: aww, just when i thought mircea_popescu might have gone to help the basques nail the occupant scum
mircea_popescu: i am enjoying a newfound love of "el condor pasa" btw. it's a fucking epic song if one reads the ORIGINAL SPANISH TEXT.
asciilifeform: i was hoping for peru!111 land of delish guinea pig steak.
asciilifeform: and i thought my openbsd 'libretto' that loses its x11 frame buffer was rotten
phf: i just opened an openbsd laptop a second ago and it greeted me with ddb (kernel debugger on panic)
phf: in fact, i static linked a copy of trb on a recent machine (5.6 say), and then moved it to a libretto (that was running 5.3 or whatever) and the binary booted and worked, but then silently failed on some system calls.
ben_vulpes: either way, i crufted some state onto the station and it works now.
asciilifeform: i did it right here in usa, lol
asciilifeform: i definitely remember a yao.
phf: i think that was huai-dong cao, or maybe it was the xiping zhu. i don't remember now which one of those two was the main guy
doppler: oh haha, i was referring to mathematica's init message
pete_dushenski: phf: i'm not worthy of knuthdom
asciilifeform: didn't i warn folx re mathematica ?
pete_dushenski: oh i will :)
CompanionCube: ben_vulpes: greetings. I saw you mention me in the logs.
BingoBoingo: If I recall a certain sede vacantist patched PRB in some way for big endian.
phf: you could probably get away with just patching serialize.h though since most of the rest of code relies on it (i.e. both networking and fs code)
doppler: i suppose in the latter respect, they're no worse than the later G4s
doppler: i've had to deal with lots of broken ones
trinque: mircea_popescu: long as they keep the californians they imported, I'm fine with it.
mthreat: actually i just had the houston vs. austin discussion this morning on another channel with some friends!
mthreat: i don't have that yet
mthreat: asciilifeform: it works, but i'm not flying it yet
asciilifeform: i keep seeing parts for it, on 'ebay' etc.
mircea_popescu: he bought it cvasi new and spent the first year dicking around with paperworks, i imaghine it still got years of juice.
mircea_popescu: the insane dilutionist tribe - do. so what can i do ? i buy from the weirdos.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: austin's good, but i'm somewhere else at the moment. hint: i recently flew over butch cassidy's ranch house.
mircea_popescu: in other sad fucking news : i'm now buying fucking homeopathy products.
asciilifeform: ( though i'd like to patch mine, to always give , e.g., semipalatinsk. )
mthreat: how broad can we guess the location? can I start with continent?
asciilifeform: ' I'VE NEVER sailed the Amazon, I've never reached Brazil; But the Don and Magdalena, They can go there when they will! ... Oh, I'd love to roll to Rio Some day before I'm old!' (tm)(r)kipling
asciilifeform: then i utterly nfi
asciilifeform: mod6: any reason i shouldn't link to these externally ?
asciilifeform: i'll read any more sysv5 after i finish brezhnev.