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punkman: mike_c: wut

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You said as much when discussing BitBet colors and the gray side and the blue side

assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:44:13; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seems it doesn't have enough colors maybe ? i get whole fields of multiple; speakers same color.

wilbns: mircea_popescu: thanks, i missed that, too

wilbns: didn't write about it, but was thinking about Louis Slotin for example - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Slotin - who accidentally irradiated himself when doing nuclear research

wilbns: mircea_popescu: it's regarding the idea of a hypothesis, theorem, manifesting it self later on down in the line the form of something else, not necessarily positive

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They don't need to other heroin addicts do that for them, until it is the next batches "turn"

thestringpuller: ascii_field: i did and it worked. lemme try with more memory

thestringpuller: ascii_field: building on AWS should I increase memory footprint size?

shinohai: mircea_popescu: I was thinking about the declaration when I saw that.

assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:24:30; shinohai: The XT constitution LOL >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hc5zz/the_declaration_of_bitcoins_independence/

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

mircea_popescu: ascii_field "natura" in there is "the immediately observable", not the subatomic. there's a reason cardano rng uses electrons not whores moaning.

mircea_popescu: ascii_field how about "natura non facit saltus" ?

thestringpuller: ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/3TMZ0FZ << that's a third of it do you need more?

assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:40:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240528 << in that it's the same idea ?

thestringpuller: ^^^ ascii_field you ever get something like this

thestringpuller: make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/thestringpuller/real_bitcoin/rotor/buildroot-2015.05/output/build/host-gcc-initial-4.9.2/build/gcc'

mircea_popescu: ascii_field for instance : blocks come from the mempool, mostly. when a new block is presented, the thing checks all sigs. but it had already checked most of them for mempool.

assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 15:31:58; thestringpuller: ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world.

assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:33:50; mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo. << The do it on cable, call it Univision.

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: no, room temp

mircea_popescu: ascii_field is it also buried ?

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'zoolag' is passively cooled

ascii_field: if mircea_popescu wants one, can have

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: trains without bomb are worth more

mircea_popescu: the reason i ask if you kept shop, ascii_field, is the following :

mircea_popescu: ascii_field "you can have more paying txn". you ever kept shop, ascii_field ?

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i'm still in search of this gedankenbenefit that outweights 'you can't pour nodes into concrete any more, ever'

williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the other thing is, with 1MB btcfs, can ~rationally plan~ construction of buried node for the future

mircea_popescu: ascii_field this, as a principle, is in no way argued against. it is exactly true. the proposal is that as restrained, it would not be harmful.

nubbins`: !up ascii_field

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i get it. but i was trying to illustrate how allowing anyone to make the sphincter permanently dilate by spending a fixed cost gets you into 'amplification vulnerability'

williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Mostly the speculating crowd. Not people from #b-a or anything

mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dun have any objective whatsoever here. i am merely surveying a field.

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if objective is 'make a river of meat' then sure. if trying to accomplish something more interesting? not so much

williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Eh, while you might think that a fair number of the people I spoke to disagreed.

mircea_popescu: ascii_field you understand this is exactly life ?

ascii_field: mike_c: i very much see the ratcheting increase as an 'enemy-can-spend-fixing to cost-me-fixint-multipled-by-forever'

mike_c: mircea_popescu: the entirety of this is "if people actually really really want to see it growing", no more. << interesting idea, but unless *we* want to see it grow I don't see point of writing it up yet.

williamdunne: ascii_field: Why would you assume that the difference is in the KYC methods used?

williamdunne: mircea_popescu: We'd already spent a bunch of their money. It's left them with no equity so slightly stranger

trinque: mircea_popescu: figured he could write his trade engine thing and then demo that, but sure, it's probably the smallest part

mircea_popescu: ascii_field of course they are ? they're after all teh bitcoin users.

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: hence it is fundamentally a socialistatron

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: basic problem is that the beneficiaries of bigger-block are not paying for the cost of cannot-have-buried-node

mircea_popescu: ascii_field still, i tell you i don't see it. if the bitcoin userbase legitimately makes > 1mb of txn every 10 minutes, and if the miners are willing to indulge them and mine to the degree the ratchet kicks in, seems at best disingenuous to say "you can't do that because pogos".

williamdunne: mircea_popescu: step 1) create small side project that takes user funds, step 2) advertise on bitcointalk, step 3) steal monies for actual project?

mircea_popescu: ascii_field i suppose it doesn't JUST pose problems for bitcoinfs.

mircea_popescu: ascii_field looky : blocks would only stay full if needed full. so our pogo is a piece of shit in that case, you can't expect them to accomodate us.

mircea_popescu: ascii_field let us calculate the actual case of the pogo, shall we ? as an exercise, mostl;y for my own edification.

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the reason i consider ratcheting (and, ergo, growing at all) blocks to be a situation of 'enemy can deal more damage than he has to pay for' is that even if people pay per kB, ~actual machines are pots of finite depth~

assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 19:24:23; mircea_popescu: incidentally ascii_field mod6 kakobrekla jurov & mike_c do let me know if you'd like me to publish http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240297 on trilema as "b-a's notion of a block increasing hardfork".

mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

gribble: Moscow gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_gold>; Stalin and the Spanish Civil War - Gutenberg-e Home: <http://www.gutenberg-e.org/kod01/frames/fkod16.html>; The story of the Moscow gold: How the Spanish war was lost: <http://www.katesharpleylibrary.net/08kq1c>

williamdunne: ;;later tell pete_dushenski would you mind telling me which posts? Sorry I've not been keeping on top of scoop so much. Tryna find someone who can put up some money to get my time-sink launched

mircea_popescu: ascii_field how ?

mircea_popescu: my position being very much like ascii_field's : not clear this is needed and dubious it's a good idea before the two get hanged. but op may disagree ? i dunno.

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: enemy can ratchet block mass without continuously spending

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: imho the algo as written here is disastrously bad

assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:12:53; mircea_popescu: a function that, after each retarget, allows blocks as large as say 1.01x the average actual size of the blocks in the 2k batch for instance.

mircea_popescu: incidentally ascii_field mod6 kakobrekla jurov & mike_c do let me know if you'd like me to publish http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240297 on trilema as "b-a's notion of a block increasing hardfork". ☝︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: ascii_field as to the later, no reason. as to the former, no idea. i suffer from the disease of all cerebral beings, of enjoying the consideration of abstract problems in no direct relation to their practical utility.

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

nubbins`: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hc5zz/the_declaration_of_bitcoins_independence/cu65bfi

shinohai: The XT constitution LOL >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hc5zz/the_declaration_of_bitcoins_independence/ ☟︎

trinque: but as ascii_field observed a while back, they do that so you have the opportunity to fuck up before them

assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 22:45:48; mircea_popescu: because the job where you ask questions you don't know the answer to is in science not in humanities.

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 04:06:21; ben_vulpes: http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-11.log.html#t15:08:27 << oh man kakobrekla can we get color coded b-a lawgz too? pretty please?

kakobrekla: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?kindergarten=true

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

jurov: mike_c: you actually run eu in it?

thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

thestringpuller: ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world. ☟︎

assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 18:23:26; Pierre_Rochard: my main disagreement is on the economics side, you say “ Limit the number of transactions that can happen on the Bitcoin blockchain, and instead of paying higher fees people will perform their transactions somewhere else.”

punkman: for interested readers, Pierre_Rochard's thread about the limit and fees, with Gavin as special guest: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986252 ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:31:55; mircea_popescu: it'd have to look a lot more like the above than like anything i've seen,

ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240336 << i'm curious re: why this should ever be necessary; and why one ought to even consider opening this portcullis until long after the siege is lifted and the last gavinist is hanged ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:38:33; mircea_popescu: only sane way to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello, this is a struct, will take no more than x of your space kthx"

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: well I wanted to hear the speaker so I could mock him on Twitter as well, so I didn't have time for a protracted conversation with the stupid cow

ShawnLeary: @member:ben_vulpes https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html

hanbot: ben_vulpes> did this clear up your abortive attempt? >> mhm

phf: ben_vulpes: mobile breakpoint?

mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9cq4/its_time_for_a_break_about_the_recent_mess/ << i suppose theymos' valliant effort to make reddit matter is cute in its own way.

hanbot: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9jfj/adam_back_on_twittertwobitidiot_someone_mentioned/ <-> http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mnop

trinque: and the qemu commands is... qemu-system-x86_64 -hda root.img -vnc :0 -redir tcp:2222::22

BingoBoingo: That was fast https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9763/the_news_in_brief_hearn_is_a_shitstain_mp_is/

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm checking the job board

BingoBoingo: More podcaster derp https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h81dh/bram_cohen_bitcoinxt_because_the_best_way_of/cu541cb

BingoBoingo: 54 weeks too early https://bitbet.us/bet/767/openly-gay-player-in-major-league-baseball-before/ http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/16/david_denson_baseball_finally_has_its_first_openly_gay_active_player.html

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dun have vlc on this machine and i don't usually care enough to check some vid on a dirty box

thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: see pm

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: fyi vlc will happily play youtube videos from the url alone. "open network".

btcdrak: did you see this? https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3h78x9/pseudonode_can_now_pretend_to_be_bitcoin_xt/ LOL

mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.btcdrak.1:a647ff23eec9625b49ce18eb7a22cb190710fff646b72cf2b7ed06982735e980