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asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927840 << vaguely suspected it was a trololol link rather than his actual www...
asciilifeform: even on proper pc, imho 'overwrite the log tab' is ~never the desired behaviour
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje et al have strong opinion on subj, i'ma make it a knob
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927817 << it's actually on the list, simply didn't make it into the 1st ver. asciilifeform for instance sometimes reads log on pnojes and similar keyboardless terminals, it is handy there.
asciilifeform: the shell one, that is, none of the (why??) x11 crapola
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927806 << 'mplayer' is all i have on most boxen (the ones which even have sound..)
asciilifeform: on an unborked gentoo box, they build via 'emerge' ; otherwise by hand
asciilifeform: diana_coman: they don't come with the interpreter ( hence mentioned as deps )
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman . i will mirror it & the sigs on my www also.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927867 << this solves ~half~ of lobbes's riddle. observe that they work , when i throw'em in ( as well as all uniturds in phf's and diana_coman's dumps , imported w/out issue )
asciilifeform bbl:meat
asciilifeform: cut it open.
asciilifeform: ugh wonder if 'logs2html' is it
asciilifeform: note also that ~this~ alone wouldn't turn it to barf, the above lines logged and display correctly
asciilifeform: or hm lobbes , can you elaborate re the internals of your thing ? does it put into wp at some pt , and ~it~ 'smartly' replaced % with ÷ and so on ??
asciilifeform: an' ÷
asciilifeform: ×××××××
asciilifeform: how thefuq did that even come outta anybody's keyboard tho !!
asciilifeform: displays an' logs properly tho, here
asciilifeform: ×
asciilifeform: climbing upstack, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927615 << lobbes why is this ? i haven't encountered yet a pythonism that actually ~demands~ 'pip', they're all installable manually (and/or, on older gentoo boxen not yet hosed -- via 'portage' )
asciilifeform: ... and epaulettes?! (i.e. long-time reader?)
asciilifeform: 'We Hunted the Mammoth is an ad-free, reader-supported publication written and published by longtime journalist David Futrelle, who has been tracking, dissecting, and mocking the growing misogynistic backlash since 2010, exposing the hateful ideologies of Men’s Rights Activists, incels, alt-rightists and many others.'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, elsewhere, the 'chi non piscia in compagnia' anon in mp's comments apparently has this as his www ...
asciilifeform: we'll 'manual clean' if there is 0 other choice, but presently would rather know wtf happened to this thing
asciilifeform: ( from diff machines )
asciilifeform: at the very least you'll want >1 indep. copy of the pertinent lines
asciilifeform: ( how wouldja fix the numerics, what if the 3s were 7s etc )
asciilifeform: lobbes: i recommend to instead find out how the fuck it got into this condition
asciilifeform: err, 983234
asciilifeform: lobbes: there may be others after 983243 also (current proggy stopped there cuz null line, will fix in coming days, had nfi fleanode permitted lines of length 0)
asciilifeform: the culprit will have to be found before this archive can be eaten, lobbes ; i suspect that the bitrot aint limited to uniturds
asciilifeform: i.e. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927740 defo not it
asciilifeform: take a look at the listed indices
asciilifeform: it seems to ~all consist of actual people ( mircea_popescu et al ) discussing numbers
asciilifeform: lobbes: interestingly, the uni-spam aint where choked
asciilifeform: there's no dispute that py sux
asciilifeform: i'm even surprised that gpg ate this
asciilifeform: lobbes: plox to describe ~exactly~ how you got it when you get chance
asciilifeform: lobbes: i am not gonna try to clean this, unless there is no other log, i suspect something unspeakable happened to it somewhere in transit to my desk
asciilifeform: ( and not, as one might expect, ru, or greek, etc. which 100% swallowed a+++ from phf's logs )
asciilifeform: typically lines containing numerics, are littered with bitrotted nonascii
asciilifeform: or see e.g. 869967
asciilifeform: where did it get shat out of ?
asciilifeform: dafuq happened to this log, lobbes
asciilifeform: see e.g. idx 867691
asciilifeform: tho not always
asciilifeform: lobbes: all seem to be 0xd7 spuriously in line somewhere
asciilifeform: that chokes py's postgres feeder
asciilifeform: however, lobbes , these all seem to contain mysterious unibarf
asciilifeform: 983234;1532548180;*;danielpbarron is legitimate corner case, will have to fix eater.py
asciilifeform: ugh quite a few
asciilifeform: will paste list of indices shortly
asciilifeform: lobbes: i'm getting buncha utf8 eggogs when trying to eat in the staging box
asciilifeform: sigs are for to verify, they aint decorative, lol
asciilifeform: verifies here
asciilifeform: lessee
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927722 << i have a suspicion that trinque set it to cycle at 0hrs (in frustration re socket wedge ?)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't resist to ask, didja actually work through the ro, or relying on googlefish etc ? cuz if it's the latter, yer certain to step on some sharp nails
asciilifeform bbl again : moar meat
asciilifeform: trinque werentcha gonna move it ?
asciilifeform: * deedbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) << trinque ?
asciilifeform: ... or, on the other end of things, snobol for string-wrangling instead of regexps...
asciilifeform: i.e. could demand from the log bot to verify that it joins chans, w/out stopping it
asciilifeform: ^ example, 1980s swedish item where process migration and realtime redundant computation on multiple irons supposedly worked
asciilifeform: looked even at ancient rusty 'five nines' behemoths that apparently work , for potential dusting off a la gnat.
asciilifeform: seems to be the experience, that if you want item that actually worx, gotta go an' write...
asciilifeform: same as was doomed to write logger
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm starting to think, that asciilifeform is doomed to write a www server
asciilifeform brb:meat
asciilifeform: there's coupla dozen of these. afaik none actually work w/out bucket of holy water and incantations
asciilifeform: was 'varnish' .
asciilifeform: it
asciilifeform: aha!!!
asciilifeform: fwiw i also never was able to get 'squid' to work, and phuctor is cached on 'flask' end (caches expire in 5min, moar than enuff for when some bozo links one on reddit etc)
asciilifeform: '15 iirc
asciilifeform: nope. moar recent
asciilifeform: in fact half the point of having that 'apache' to start with
asciilifeform: it remains the case that this is distincly job for the www server frontend, tho, and not individual proggy behind it
asciilifeform: ( there's no ~logical~ reason for it not to work, it's quite evidently Right Thing; simply happened that all the heathen utils for the job, were liquishit )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje iirc was defo a #t article
asciilifeform: i quite distinctly recall that it didn't work worthashit, and mp_en_viaje smashed a keyboard or 2
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what was it you had last tried, iirc 'squid' ?
asciilifeform: rly there oughta be a apache-end util for this, but iirc mp_en_viaje actually went an' tried 9000 of'em and all were duds
asciilifeform: ( you'd have to cache all possible combos of knobbage, per page )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this gets sticky. if knobs (incl. my multiline-select knob) suddenly yer disk cache dun do you good
asciilifeform: ( personally would leave out the join/partisms but perhaps that's just me )
asciilifeform: i like the colours
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform not read how lobbes did log, but from context supposes 'produced dir of static htm's as it went'
asciilifeform: hence wai phf's method was Right Thing, and mine not
asciilifeform: theoretically this is Right Thing, mp_en_viaje . only headache is that 'flask' etc shitshow doesn't offer any path to it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: so when does the proggy regen the x-y-z.html on disk ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: say i reply to yesterday's line from mp_en_viaje . nao the cached copy of yesterday's log is logically invalid (dun have the backlink to today's reply)
asciilifeform: (granted snsabot/www dun presently do backlinks at all)
asciilifeform: caching isn't magic pill against slow ugh ; if you want backlinkage to work as-expected you end up invalidating pretty much all cache just about erry time someone replies to log line
asciilifeform: these caches live in ram ( 'flask' dun offer a disk cache, and it'd nuke the ssd at any rate )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i actually have cache, simply snipped out of genesis ver, need a few moving gears to invalidate it on 'tail' ('current') page of log when someone speaks
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927573 << btw i considered 'shit static pages' . has the obv. costs ( can never put in phf-style backlinks; or rather they then have O(N) cost ; and repair work like http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927470 becomes very, very expensive )
asciilifeform: i currently suspect that if i fix this, will lose zncism . can make knob.