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ThickAsThieves: taint is a factor for terrorists though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but that is entirely besides the point
asciilifeform: the proposed legal defense, though, will work about as well here as it would've in ussr.
mircea_popescu: many many MANY genius minds wasted most of their time in pursuit of similar nonsense.
mircea_popescu: are a waste of the presumptive solver's time.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as bitcoin taint. attempts to solve this inexistent problem, just like all the other attempts to solve inexistent problems in the history of human engineering
ThickAsThieves: Schrodinger's Truth
mircea_popescu: no, it's the truth.
asciilifeform: inquisitor: 'libelling a faithful servant of the king, that'll be an extra two years on the stake'
mircea_popescu: since we're doing affidavits, prosecutor is welcome to an affidavit as to how he himself bought.
ThickAsThieves: you are suggesting an American to lie!?
asciilifeform: inquisitor: 'ok, find me the fellow who bought. he'll sit on this here stake, next you yours, and will tell the truth'
mircea_popescu: if they ask you who you sold them to, you give them the name of the prosecutor in charge.
mircea_popescu: they pick you up, you go "sorry, I sold them".
mircea_popescu: it's moved to another address. so ?
mircea_popescu: it's deposited to mpex, and a sum withdranw to pay for same. so... what ?
mircea_popescu: sothe 10btc is... moved to my wallet, from which a diff sum is spent on whatever, baby squirrel tears. so what now ?
ThickAsThieves: most americans have tainted all their coins by now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't see any evidence whatsoever is th problem
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd guess: much of the panic re: btc 'taint' etc. comes from u.s. folks, who can be sent to the gasenwagen on very loose - rather than hard, 'scientific' - evidence.
mircea_popescu: so you have a guy's affidavit that he sent me 10 btc to addy x in tx y.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2014#725708 << this entire convo seems entirely nonsensical to me. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's sad how many promising young minds are ruined by the predilection of young minds for bad associations
ThickAsThieves: Evan Duffield has given much praise to the Dark Wallet project that was spearheaded by crypto-anarchists Cody Wilson and Amir Taaki, but stated that "it's not a completely decentralized approach.”
mircea_popescu: he's definitely misreading what bitcoin does, for that matter.
ThickAsThieves: no, they are mis-writing
ThickAsThieves: “I believe the central problem with Bitcoin is that the public ledger, although a remarkable accomplishment, also allows a gross invasion of personal privacy by permanently listing all transactions the users have ever done publicly.”
ThickAsThieves: The brainchild behind Darkcoin, Evan Duffield, explained his motivation for creating this privacy-oriented crypto-currency:
ThickAsThieves: ok so taaki makes darkwallet
assbot: Anarchistic Anonymous Dark Wallet Creator: Amir Taaki | Max Keiser
mircea_popescu now has to check digests
ThickAsThieves: which i think they changed to Open Bazaar
ThickAsThieves: is darkcoin his thing?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: conveniently occurring just as the price topped << anything having taaki involkved and not being a scam ?
mircea_popescu: myeah. giving the site ot mr evil doesn't hurt anything on a plaintext site.
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asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/KRbNE256 << my reply to a reader, some time ago, who asked 'why won't you use kickstarter'
mircea_popescu: so basically, for as long as other people cook, crowdfounding can continue to make the tomato roses.
ThickAsThieves: which i havent even tried yet
mircea_popescu: is there any actual anything done via crowdfunding so far ?
mircea_popescu: remarkable how similar the start and end of civilisation are. sorta like the start and end of man's life.
mircea_popescu: a will to power as the only qualification ?
ThickAsThieves: "Crowdfunding has shown that ANYONE can create or innovate. Not just greedy corporations."
ThickAsThieves: from Cryptsy trollbox
ThickAsThieves: "Same here. I think IQ is bullshit and is a way of the gevernments to bracket us. Qualifications are a load of crap too. Who need a piece of paper to tell people that they can create the next "E=MC Squared"."
mircea_popescu: inexplicable why it's so easy for scammers on that forum.
ThickAsThieves: benkay consider they all think hanbot is mp
benkay: i'm surprised MP didn't get more 'smooth talker' noms
asciilifeform: Azelphur: it was run by one joseph stack, who crashed a small airplane into a tax authority office in 2010.
Azelphur: asciilifeform: oh, then I'm confused
asciilifeform: Azelphur: that was the correct photo
Azelphur: it served me a screenshot of a small businesses website that creates embedded art firmware/software
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Azelphur: asciilifeform: that site served me the wrong image the first time I loaded the page...so confusing
mircea_popescu: the reason for that'd be that sheep never make good wolves in the first place.
asciilifeform awaits the epic rampage of a future mr. heap.
assbot: Plane Crash Suspect's Online Diatribe | The Smoking Gun
asciilifeform: (it is not necessarily clear, to a man innocent of the concept of specially made feed for cats, why he should not dine on a can of tuna with a cat printed on the label)
mircea_popescu: she hated that more than anything in memory.
mircea_popescu: for the record, had occasion to punish girly to cat food only diet for a week or so.
mircea_popescu: other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made.
mircea_popescu: In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each
asciilifeform: somehow, 'hypertalk' was well-liked by serious users. why? theory: it lured a bunch of folks who were 'on the right side of the camel's hump' to begin with - into learning elementary programming
asciilifeform: it was made to torture sinners in an apple-themed hell
asciilifeform: not the script lang
asciilifeform: 'please press any key' - 'where is the any key'
mircea_popescu: it's great for humour this. "does your desk make your back hurt ? press backspace!"
asciilifeform: ^ even with manual, this 2-line script was a pain to write. logically equivalent phrases, all sum to nothing
asciilifeform: the most elegant example of the agony of 'plain language' is: attempts at computer programming systems which purported to use such.
mircea_popescu: i use the plainest language of anyone i'm aware of, and yet people claim you need a degree to argue with me. wtf is that all about. ☟︎
mike_c: you can't. nor can you specify the tax code in plain language.
asciilifeform: try explaining how to... tie a bowline sea knot - in 'plain language.'
mircea_popescu: it's not going to (nor can it) notify the innocent.
mircea_popescu: moreover, and more dangerously : a term of art that has a common speech homophone will only notify those in the know of its status
mike_c: for sure, you can't speak about things intelligently with plain language. i can't tell you what's wrong with your computer in plain language.
mircea_popescu: mike_c and the "not a lot of jargon" thing is roughly like the vietnam forest without a lot of vietcong in it.
asciilifeform: s and children experience that they can guess faster than they can learn. This latter thing is what I mostly associate with stupidity, however, and why I do _not_ equate intelligence with absence of stupidity. Quite the contrary, the more intelligent, the more potential to be stupid in just this crucial way, to believe that what you can pick out of your own mind at zero cost is better than what must be dug up fr
asciilifeform: 'I have never seen unintelligent or children of average intelligence muster the intellectual power that causes them to believe their own mind to be better and more trustworthy than reality, although the enjoyment of every kind of magic and fairytales and mystic and wizardry is a sign that many _wish_ their minds were better than reality at a certain age. I have concluded that it is a phenomenal curse when it i ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's nothing plain about language just like a measurement isn't the thing measured.
mircea_popescu: so can i use the even-ness of the 129th digit in your measurement reliably ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c "plain language" is the conceptual equivalent of "measurement in se". how long is your desk ?
mircea_popescu: basically the problem of intelligent people is that the knowledge needed is so vast... i could readily render the pretense and nonsense of it, but i don't have the time/patience to hang out in every nook and cranny.
mike_c: i think it's somewhat valid. plain = not a lot of jargon.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I'd love to have a voice channel, but I think it would work better if we scheduled it - like a session every two weeks or something?
mircea_popescu: srsly, the notion that there exists such a thing as "plain language"...
mircea_popescu: My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions.
asciilifeform: but (can't recall) either tax authorities are not limited in this way, or they ruled that the machine was not really 'tool of trade'
mthreat: i saw that building after he hit it. It was the IRS building, and he targeted it on purpose
mircea_popescu: i remember this, was years ago
asciilifeform: (summary: fellow worked a bunch of ancient software consulting gigs. owed $maxint in tax somehow. told that his little airplane would be sold to pay the debt. went spectacularly postal.)
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asciilifeform: wanna start the motor? fill out these here forms...
mircea_popescu: well, for one if you fly high enough you don't actually have to report
asciilifeform: ~what a nice car costs. but, the bureaucracy!
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i live next to a field full of these things. the fellow i used to rent from owned one. about 40k usd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more often than you'd think. prices have really come down
asciilifeform: provokes the question, what do the 'high end' folks do? fly own machine?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: just phoned them - they'll increase my free limit to 30kgs << fuck them, assholes. seems all short distance is covered by this sort of low service "low cost" bs.
mircea_popescu: arguably not as losers but bitterer than the other type o coders, but anyway