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decimation: right, but it wasn't
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mircea_popescu: decimation
this is a false impression, artefact of your context
decimation: yeah but
the difference is
that
those first 'explorers' were generally unable
to dominate
the world's market
mircea_popescu: we'll finally be in a position
to put some fences up and make sense of
the damned
thing.
mircea_popescu: security wasn't high on
the list of gold seeking miners, or of cowboys,
mircea_popescu: well, security was not
the first priority. it rarely is, when going over new space.
decimation: this is a pretty simple
thought experiment, and
the obvious conclusion is
that computers (as
they are now) are hopelessly insecure
mircea_popescu: i mean you're basically asking, "suppose you could be killed by
trying
to fuck scorpions in
the
tail. do you suppose fucking habits would change ?"
decimation: do you
think comptuer archs would change?
decimation: everyone from
the programmer down
to
the bios writer
decimation: yes, much ruin was brought by
that generation
mircea_popescu: never
trust a baby boom, for
the baby boomers are almost always
the end of
things.
mircea_popescu: basically, "self-seeking" addicted college kids being given
the reins of
the country.
mircea_popescu: all in
the name of "open society of knowledge" and "progress" and generally speaking
the mistaken view
that exploring
the space of opportunities is more valuable
than staying in one piece
benkay: i guess
tho
that's an artifact of operating in an environment where
they're not held liable for
their work?
benkay: i always figured
that was
the insane war chest
they have and
the mountain of paper under which
they'd bury anyone.
decimation: My point about lack of liability has
to do with why microsoft hasn't gotten sued for writing crapware
that certainly has done demonstrable harm
to users
benkay: ;;later
tell xmj i am now
mircea_popescu: infectious, of course, but nothing much
than a
tool of contagion.
benkay: i
thought hearn was handing out potions in
this example.
mircea_popescu: fancy
that, adult world has like
two or even
three
tiers of complexity on
top of what you find in coloring books.
benkay: but he's not wearing an overcoat, he's got a nice pair of slacks and a collared
tee, and everyone except
the weirdos in
the corner are drinking with him.
mircea_popescu: little girl
taking a drink from suspicious man in overcoat is not making a mistake
mircea_popescu: the notion
that derps imagining
themselves involved and part of and etc still
treat hearn as anything but vomit behind a bar is perhaps
the best argument against democracy.
benkay: does
this go for all open source mistakes?
mircea_popescu: all in
the name of
the "needed" pki, which was never needed by us, it was needed by nsa.
benkay: i'm way out of my domain on
this, but who gets
the spike? devs on openssl and bitcoind > 0.6?
mircea_popescu: as if
this were any kind of argument. as if crops don't fail exactly
the same way. etc
mircea_popescu: it went something like, "if a lock fails
that lock can be replaced, but if software failed ALL a company's products fail at
the same
time so
there's nobody
to absorb
the costs"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wish i recall who wrote
the example with
the locks, in favour of software
tort immunity
mircea_popescu: benkay methinks you might have
to brush up on corp law :)
mircea_popescu: as if bitcoin'd suffer from a complete ban on all
the
tard venues, or computers from a complete disappearance of bad software
mircea_popescu: rms and co really meant "bad software" but just said "software", and "plain language" being what it is, who's
to know
the difference.
benkay: nah,
torch anyone who implemented it in
their own codebasen. no crime in releasing shit
to
the world, only a crime
to put
that shit in your cliquot
mircea_popescu: which is exactly how it was argued for software responsibility immunity in
the 80s :
that ALL software failures are clearly of a coal-abl etype, and so not granting immunity would make software "impossible"
mircea_popescu: but
that aside,
the openssl recent string of bugs WOULD have been of
the coal kind
mircea_popescu: benkay>
two months later,
the house has been dragged down from 900k
to 700k, and
that broker has straight ghosted with all
the leads she generated via excellent hustle. << dumbass approach imo, but hey
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated
to use
the rating system.
benkay: i have no idea what rat fuck of code i'm
taking on, and i'm sure as hell not
taking responsibility for your untested ball of hair falling over because
this private method is getting called by your SUPER IMPORTANT WEEKLY REPORTs.
benkay: and what is
this "not liable for errors" crap y'all are spouting? i have
to fight for
that clause in every contract I
take on.
benkay: so while best practices are a
thing and brokers do get put
to
the coals, as with all regulated
things only
the dumb and most obviously rule-breaky are going
to get
their feet
torched. i can't imagine it being any other way with programmering -
the smart ones will shift
the blame
to
the dumb ones, who will
take
the fall. age old story.
benkay: two months later,
the house has been dragged down from 900k
to 700k, and
that broker has straight ghosted with all
the leads she generated via excellent hustle.
benkay: the people doing
the sale failed
to do it on
their own at 900k, so
this vulture swooped in, started ratcheting
the price down and as all
the buyers
trickled in said something along
the lines of "I know
that
this isn't really what you're looking for, but how about I give you a call sometime next week and I'll show you some houses
that might fit your budget and expectations a little bit better".
benkay: house immediately downhill from
the 'rents went on sale for 900k, reasoning being "well it was built by and inhabited by Dr. Hawthorne of
this grand street a few blocks over who also built
the insanitarium at
the
top of said street which is now a seminary"
benkay: reminds me of a great hustle a neighbor got put
through recently
benkay: <mircea_popescu> decimation: now, why do you suppose
those who work in
the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while
those who work in
the "real economy" are
treated as serfs? <<< here's
the
thing : real estate agents are certified, and have
to be bondend in many places, and have
to follow best practices, and can and are put
to
the coals ifthey do not.
mircea_popescu: btw mthreat wouldja be interested in filling in
the logs for
the first missing year, and generate a drop-in blob kakobrekla can put into his log
thing
too ?
ThickAsThieves: it's not my first
time using bitpay either, i
think
the address used
to be bigger
mircea_popescu: The BitPay prompt for payment seems awkwardly designed
to me, particularly in
that
the
text version of
the payment address is very
tiny. << I heard
this in
the form of "wow,
they're really
trying
to stop you from copying pasting it huh". no idea wtf
they;'d be
thinking
mircea_popescu: On and off, I’ve had
the urge
to acquire physical Bitcoin coins
to give
to family and invest/collect
them for myself. I have never purchased any sort of collectible coin before, nor have I ever purchased precious metals. << weird what btc does
to people.
mircea_popescu: by now i'm drastically past
the
threshold of doorman
telling me apart "you know i've never seen so much computer equipment since i work here"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im putting a whole array in, what's
to do.
moiety: "can guess faster
than
they can learn" lol perfect
assbot: Tell
The Grand Inquisitor
There’s No Fucking Bitcoin
Taint. | When Bitcoin Met Pete
moiety: i see
the loss of BB was
too much for cosmos
moiety: /me got distracted by some flowers in need of
tlc
Cosmos: I brought entertainment &
then I faded down
to a speck of nothing
mthreat: do you need
that much bandwidth, or more for reliability?
mircea_popescu: (not even kidding, i got
the
top package of everyone, loadbalancing it)
Cosmos: worst
thing is as soon as
this Cup fest is over
mircea_popescu: their scoring is byzantine, but! i
think
they getrematches and whatnot
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I guess you'll get
to find out what
the swat vans are for soon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ianal, but it'd seem cribbing is better. rather
than writing from scratch and inventing a new mistakes-space,
they just
take out some mistakes of a well documenterd space
moiety: i need
to run out for prarcetamol, back in 5