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asciilifeform: if you have a very steady hand, and own a plcc puller (fivebux or so, or look in the very bottom of your oldest toolbox) you can do this safely.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: incidentally... if you're a brave man, you can get by without a programmator at all. hot-lift the chip, while box is running, insert blank chip, and reflash.
shinohai: How to make a colorful rats-nest in 5,683 easy steps
asciilifeform: (writing -- harder; some chips have various unlockisms that have to be waltzed through first, or want a programming-voltage, or both)
asciilifeform: afaik there is no known alternative to tl866 today other than 'spend a kilo$ and use dedicated winblowz box.'
asciilifeform: prior to it , i had a massive parallel port thing that needed two dozen jumpers moved when you changed chip types, and only really worked well from an emulated dos session.
asciilifeform: (incidentally if you go coreboot, you don't need a bootloader...)
asciilifeform: iirc coreboot(linuxbios) had a flag also
asciilifeform: it's a thing that has 2 modes, 'ahci' and 'legacy' (or 'compatibility')
shinohai: nah gimmie just a sec ill sign it
asciilifeform: it's a what, lsi chip ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: phun phakt : that thing uses a relabeled remake of one of my favourite tyan mobos.
danielpbarron: LILO is the last thing in my way of publishing a gentoo-quest for eulora recipe
danielpbarron: also i've been banging my head against a wall trying to figure out how to get LILO to work (should have taken notes the first time!!)
danielpbarron: i don't have a copy. maybe freenode dropped a line idk
shinohai: danielpbarron: Didn't I give yu a copy?
danielpbarron: biggest hurdle is getting my hands on a copy of mp-wp
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638106 << whatever the defaults. and before anyone says "why didn't you backup" -- I do have a mysqldump containing most of the articles. missing the last few between last dump and system death. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: merv, or generally the mongol reduction of persia from a coupla million to a coupla hundred thousand is the fundamental civilisational act. not the building of the scum, but the purging of it. much like "writing prb" is not an achievement in computer science ; but purging it into trb is. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hey, what can i tell you. if you were in the town when the town caught a little fire, uncle celestial teapot wants you. noli turbare circulos meos may work, but just as well may not work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: south kr (or, specifically, the american puppet gov there) was quintessential 'kowtow' : their first dictator was quite equiv. to a figure like quisling, even had a medal personally pinned on him by hirohito -- for hunting partisans in the north (partisans of whom kim the 1st was the chief, incidentally)
mircea_popescu: did i recount the story of the very respectable fellow who lived with us for a week or so early 90s ?
mircea_popescu: when mp was a wee tyke, china was a kind of ghana.
mircea_popescu: a much milder version of this is how, eg, russia came back ; and certainly how china even became a thing wihin our lifetimes.
asciilifeform: somewhere in ancient assyria, a great general fell into time warp, went missing !
mircea_popescu: this is a delusion shared by all orcs, including the original jucheans.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the sense where 'let! whole world gang up on our tiny country, we will soldier on' it is not a shining success, no.
asciilifeform: i forget the original term, but translates to eng as something like 'kowtow' (originally itself a corruption of chinese word)
asciilifeform: alf is not expert on the east, but knows a little of the insider wank, and suspects that it is relevant, so:
asciilifeform: represents one of the possible 'magnetic poles' for a small, unimportant country living next to great empire
asciilifeform: it is thought to be a trademark of north kr, but really goes back to the time of confucius
phf: Framedragger: right, you have dom, you have running javascript, can do all kinds of things to dump/before dump. what you don't have through any legitimate means is the byte sequence for a linked object. at least with headless webkit (via Qt) you can instrument cache with special methods that would give you that data. selenium not at all
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 18:06 Framedragger: quite sure that it's possible to dump dom in selenium but in any case, yes dumping it seems like a prerequisite, like what archive.is does and what phf said above
Framedragger: i wonder if "can run archive requests on 'uncleaned' (i.e.: already possibly infected) VM" could be allowed for. it's not exactly a gpg-signed-msg timestamping service.
asciilifeform: running a js is like fucking hiv whore.
Framedragger: quite sure that it's possible to dump dom in selenium but in any case, yes dumping it seems like a prerequisite, like what archive.is does and what phf said above ☟︎
asciilifeform: it's only a 'remote control' for traditional www browser.
asciilifeform: i have a cl interface to selenium written from some years ago, i used it to cheat spammers
CompanionCube: doesn't seem that good of a fit
Framedragger: (i suppose an imperfect ('may fail on particularly gruesome imperial sites', say) prototype as a *standalone command line program* would make sense.)
mircea_popescu: else any random rustard can throw a wrench in your whole thing. "gotta support fdlkgjkldfjl!!~11"
mircea_popescu: yeah. it sounds like the right thing but in the process of so sounding hides under a welded shut hood all the design trade-offs which'll need to be made.
mircea_popescu: at least to my eyes, archiving to date was there to provide a sort of cheaper and lighter deedbotting for webpages.
asciilifeform: a pill against memory hole.
asciilifeform: not sure it ~is~ a problem.
mircea_popescu: im not sure it's a design goal.
asciilifeform: it's the only way to 'perma-archive EXACTLY what plebes see'. supposing that is a design goal.
asciilifeform: which is why i half-seriously suggested 'archiver oughta be a rack of instrumented ipads and ocrtron'
mircea_popescu: (this happens a lot more than anyone sane would on his own power imagine)
phf: a sentence like "hello world this is test" might get an invocation like render("world this") followed by render("hello") followed by render("is test"), simply because higher level widget engine decided that's the order of exposure, or hierarchy, or whatever
phf: asciilifeform: there's ~one~ true type library, but it's called at random times to render a small part of the page, so by simply following the invocations you won't be able to reconstruct how the individual results fit into the on-screen
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i have a fairly accurate idea. but last time i opened the reactor cover, at least there was ~1~ copy of truetype shitfest running per box...
mircea_popescu: a ok.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: not familiar / wouldn't know. my exposure to the whole thing was literally just "found relevant library; hop on irc to ask the author; chat for a while; realise he's blind; ask about his experience"
phf: but it doesn't invovoke truetype ~as one last pass~. instead you have fifty different truetype invocations to lay out a small surface, that's placed into an hierarchy of such surfaces
asciilifeform: anything that asks a glyph to be drawn on the raster display -- instead ends up creating a 'haha, glyph G was asked for' record.
phf: basically agent on top of internet explorer/others that, with a specially annotated page (ARIA standard) can make the experience usable
asciilifeform: what if you were to use a patched glyph renderer ?
asciilifeform: i (with handful of other folx) once built exactly such a machine, for executing winblowz virii
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ideally you want it running in a qemu-like thing with randomly-generated instruction set. << this may be overkill. could as well run it in a rom-os machine or something.
asciilifeform: and preferably in a designated public toilet
asciilifeform: can be remote-manipulated at a later date.
asciilifeform: i.e. a js-containing turdball is not self-contained
phf: Framedragger: yes, archive.is is a headless webkit. it loads the page with all the resources, it lets the javascript run until the DOM is in some "final" state, it snapshots the DOM. at this point you no longer need javascript to further render page ☟︎
asciilifeform: problem might not have a sane+general solution.
asciilifeform: i don't actually know of a sane way to do this job. which is why i have not ever attempted to do it.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: imho a more reasonable thing would be a command line thing, a kind of augmented curl, that yields a tarball
asciilifeform: phf: recall, recent lulznews item, a certain lamestream news www uses 100MB/hr while page open
asciilifeform: plenty of things just happily serve up a blank page to the archiver.
phf: customary you put a few second timeout, but even that might not be enough
phf: after the events though there's still potentially a few ticks while js assembles the page
asciilifeform: lately i've been seeing sites that yield a blank archive.is page.
asciilifeform: i even suspect that the closest thing to a final solution would be the extract a ~bitmap~ from simulated browser, and then embed OCR info !
Framedragger: ^ re. endpoint, oops no need for *challenge*, just a specific format for gpg-signed msg. (this is basically mpex interface, i guess.)
Framedragger: can also make irc-independent endpoint (http or w/e) which does WoT gpg challenge-response. prototype would speak a thousand words though, i suppose. :)
Framedragger: ah. well, i can imagine a fleet of VMs (on an ok-to-be-pwned, of course) emulating browser for this.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: known bitstate, you mean, a unique fingerprint exposed to websites?
asciilifeform: ideally you want it running in a qemu-like thing with randomly-generated instruction set. and that reverts to known bitstate on every shot.
asciilifeform: i can think of 1 fairly easy method for rendering (there is , iirc, a 'headless chromium' or something like) but the problem is that if you run it on bare iron, it'll be perma-owned.
Framedragger: all doable, but relatively tricky (of the icky kind, i.e., one has to try out some things, and will end up with a set of semi-hacks due to webstack being one large hack.)
asciilifeform: and also not very useful without a secret (uci!11) net of proxies
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 03:19 lobbes smells a tmsr archive server in the future
ben_vulpes: as soon as one attempts to spend from one of those hashed addresses you're in a race with everyone to get the txn confirmed though
asciilifeform: it is a little bit like saying 'if nsa finds algo that breaks 70% of ecdsa keyspace, the remainder is still ok and 30% of bitcoin addrs will remain safe, bitcoin lives on'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, a couple of people asked for details and i linked them the logs, if noobs show up do me a favour and up'em.
asciilifeform: if bee could 'hamsterize' like a human coward, would think same thought
mircea_popescu: see, this is what i mean by problem : it's not even clear if this is a more-bee or less-bee characteristic!
mircea_popescu: it's (unsurprisingly) a male trait, and a young'un trait, which explains other things too
asciilifeform: problem is the modern 'everybody's a winner' nonsense.
asciilifeform: that ain't a problem. it's how the poison cherries get tasted, oceans -- explored, embrasures -- plugged
mircea_popescu: amply documented (though mostly in early 1900s work, so i guess from a certain perspective lost by now)
mircea_popescu: this is a fundamental problem in humans, that they'll take overdangerous work.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is how the middle class ended up poor : "a) we are living above our means and headed for bankruptcy, but b) our means are so disproportionate to our living by now that attempting to live within our means can not be called living!!1"
mircea_popescu: defeating a does not mean i'll now accept b, the whole fucking point is to extirpate the empire of stupid, not to drive in one branch by the measure driving the other out.
mircea_popescu: that thing is of two parts : a) broke your house and b) there's nothing else.
mircea_popescu: but not a bad review, certainly not wasted time imo.
mircea_popescu: it's a well chosen example. he might well not have. because "o noes, laws".
asciilifeform: Framedragger: feynman was a ~theorist~
Framedragger: maybe. :) i'm aware that most of it is ~crap, but this is more like "99.99%" vs. 99%. also, i'll make a note to check if feynman included data in any publications which dealt with data (i.e. not only pure models.)
diana_coman sees a bit of a younger Diana's shock along the lines of "it can't really be true that 99% of the world I live in is actually rotten to the core" on re-reading Framedragger's replies