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ascii_field: iirc what mircea_popescu painstakingly explained in that old thread is that there is not, of course, a magical incantation which makes a 'revoked' key stop working
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 20:19:54; mircea_popescu: i'm spending a lot more than 1k / mo on hosting. in fact i spend more on servers living space than on women living space, for my sins ;/
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 03:34:04; assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 21:44:05; ascii_field: i'm kinda curious why mircea_popescu considers a new key signed with a previous key to not be a logical continuation of the same identity. (is it because of the impossibility of hard-guaranteed revocation, as discussed in previous thread?)
ascii_field: not only that, but rms is not mircea_popescu and the thieves would cry 'stop thief', sue inventor for using own item, and win.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 16:07:54; ben_vulpes: and the 'open source world' went along with this for how long?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: ascii_field: so much of what imho needs to be done, cannot be done. << doesn't this technically make it impossible?
jurov: ascii_field: you relish in impossible requirements, don't you? i just that ... palpable improvement over some box no one in the wot ever saw, is possible
mircea_popescu: and talking of 8 year olds, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a31c0e8f0f214b72c92bf13dba150d08/tumblr_nnvzxmtliK1rlxc3wo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes i will ask about the locking and exact dimensions. also will need someone to make the shopping list and plan,
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> or, alternatively, failing to do anything on account of waiting << i could give some examples of this, but of dubious actual substance.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ah point is to explain that 'cage' is a kind of standard term, like 'barrel' in petro industry
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and a traditional wife cooks. what's your point.
assbot: Trust relationship from user mike_c to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mike_c&to=phf | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/phf/
phf: mike_c: ah but it's not true that nobody has those lists. ascii has one, i'm sure does mp, mod6 and ben_vulpes. i keep one too from reading the logs in a text file
mike_c: ascii_field: the locking thing is not the biggest thing to me, more the accurate list of things that could/should be done.
ascii_field: mike_c: can you think of a time when two+ people ended up doing the same things?
ascii_field: and mike_c is right, it is not entirely current.
ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150831/v_429012f762de1faf81e97b14832c2a9098ec851b.py << here.
mike_c: ascii_field; but it's out of date and incomplete
phf: mike_c: do you have a todo list for bitcoind written somewhere? or for v?
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 19:21:09; mircea_popescu: jurov half a cage is what, 4u ?
ascii_field: mike_c: the beauty of 'v' is that no server, as such, is needed
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-05-2015#1149162 mircea_popescu, yes ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 03:55:05; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he still has a point. a) we're careening dangerously towards -dev levels and b) people can't fucking follow wtf is on that list.
phf: mircea_popescu: i've come to appreciate the approach from observing it. one person who shapes the entire thing, and everyone else works with the given directions or else operates fully autonomously. people can still form subgroups for short term goals, but without imposing structure on the rest. etc. etc.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once thought about placing antecedent hashes in patch headers
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i did most of a linguistics degree, can do certain things
mircea_popescu: mike_c so it is.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 19:08:42; mircea_popescu: no, v is the only correct solution to "windows update" problem.
mats: ascii_field: translates loosely to '[learning] the way of the barbarians to control barbarians'
mircea_popescu: mike_c incidentally the reason i won't recite a todo list for v (and deleted alf's proposed list) is specifically because we don't even understand yet fully its implication. bitcoin-like.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
phf: mike_c: there's a recent openbsd presentation that argues against claiming. their point is that the problem of duplicate effort is a lot rarer then lock grabs. and i must add duplicate effort always results in increased understanding if both solutions are analyzed
mircea_popescu: mike_c my definition of "know each other" is, "they can navigate the who's doing what maze". that's the bar.
mircea_popescu: mike_c understand, there's no promise that V will result in even similar bitcoins.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu has it
mircea_popescu: mike_c claim ? how you mean ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field who says v is for that ?
phf: mike_c: "dianetics is not wrong, it's just that you're failing at apply it", aha ;)
trinque: mircea_popescu: maybe not; thought was you patch in new textfiles into some directory structure
ascii_field: mike_c: please don't hesitate to experiment with 'v'
mike_c: mod6, ben_vulpes: does the foundation have any ideological opinions on something like trac?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: no but reality means that if i have to spend two weeks appearing in a courtroom, for whatever reason, i starve.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if i did not put my income through it, then it is a plain tax shelter and this lasts precisely five seconds if anyone so much as farts on it
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: precisely!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field that was entirely a different story. he was trying to organise his coding income through a llc.
ascii_field: also mircea_popescu appears to have forgotten about mr stack and his programmatory llc ? ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 17:56:08; mircea_popescu: the appearance of "costs" is what's known in poker as a trap. to keep the fucktards out. so dun be a fucktard, you can think, there's no rule that you may only think about coding or something. think all through, the same way, everywhere.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: http://thesouthern.com/news/local/dozens-rally-in-harrisburg-to-support-confederate-flag/article_dce53cb2-dc9f-565f-9af6-20d1854e629e.html
BingoBoingo: Corn uppdate http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/midwest-corn-goes-from-soaked-to-choked/article_46179f53-7983-5625-8c51-3a6e1804306b.html
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/9866451ba59203a02e9931a467016546/tumblr_nr6nndTs371u6xnhgo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you're a smart kid, do the math. or better yet, have the girl do the math.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field 4x 40 bucks ? so ? why do you care ? tax deductible.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: residential zone
mircea_popescu: ascii_field why aren't you renting on a llc anyway ?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i did think about this, earlier; principal obstacle is the provision of adequate cooling in my sorry hovel. but in the absence of a better idea, will have to resort to this
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: traditional lease in this part of the world, for human habitation, is 1y
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my earthly carcass ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field how long's your lease where you're now ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: clearly, aha
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i think you should apologize before making fool of self kthx.
ascii_field: but this is really for mircea_popescu to decide, given as he supplied this item as 'pro bono'
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> not a ~real~ recession, those don't happen in the biggest bestest firstest americas << Testnet Americans
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i am ready to move it. but can't think of, yet, a good place to move it ~to~
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well, sent note pointing out that if it happens again that's it for that box. i'm not so convinced it'll do anything. consequently... prep to move it, i guess. got any suggestions of location ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field eh ffs.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
punkman: ascii_field: I remember reading about it in 2013, stumbled upon it today. nothing inbetween
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 12:10:42; punkman: http://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres_are_switching_written_numbers_when_scanning
phf: https://www.gnupg.org/faq/gnupg-faq.html#keep_dreaming 8.21 I’m a programmer and I need a way to call GnuPG internals directly. Is there a library for this? No, nor will there be.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 16:07:54; ben_vulpes: and the 'open source world' went along with this for how long?
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 16:07:42; ben_vulpes: so not just technically challenging to call into the c code of but actually deliberately obfuscated?
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 15:51:39; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: /why/ was gpg written to be unlibrarizable?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
phf: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform has referred to rms doing this with i believe a compiler as well, and i would hear the story << https://lwn.net/Articles/629259/
trinque: ben_vulpes: also a barrier to poetterings, maybe
punkman: pete_dushenski: it was working earlier when I looked, I think
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 08:27:20; mircea_popescu: anyway, the ridiculous pretense that openssl is still even a thing at all.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap: 'reboot system boot 2.6.32-431.el6.x Tue Sep 1 03:05 - 10:05 (07:00)' << phuctor is dead in the water until this stops.
punkman: http://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres_are_switching_written_numbers_when_scanning ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 06:50:14; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Also it looks like Kim kinda went Monero... https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/31/3a08dc9a038e0c30bb568b48d0f758cd.jpg
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/1aa153796752dbb8d067f547d5944174/tumblr_mzxmu4NJkS1qaoeoqo6_r2_400.gif
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 20:55:11; ascii_field: http://i.imgur.com/ibUaHil.gifv << sapping practice.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: well it's either that or we have to refactor every exception into functions_windows.cpp / functions_bsd.cpp / functions_linux.cpp etc., which would make the code splintered and extremely hard to work with
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Time machine could also work
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Also it looks like Kim kinda went Monero... https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/31/3a08dc9a038e0c30bb568b48d0f758cd.jpg ☟︎
phf: for example this code http://paste.lisp.org/display/154625 validates signatures (using ccl's ffi generator and slightly patched gnupg 1.4.19), but on failure verify_signature either prints to stdout, with no notable return code or sometimes exit(...)'s the whole process
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/2bee425c083912f62e0841981d446c0a/tumblr_ntcvokvrnL1tcjd1io1_400.gif
mod6: ok, i think i get it. neither patches/asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch or patches/asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch have any dependants (d's)
mod6: asciilifeform: qq, I was under the impression that when using press, if I picked something like 'maxint_corrected', it would patch all the way up through that one. but it didn't seem to apply the -verifyall patch? or do I misunderstand how its supposed to work? http://dpaste.com/1J2BS40.txt thoughts?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still can't figure out why they are (?) in debt. am i thick or what
mircea_popescu: "mircea_popescu: giving inept infantrymen good horses doesn't create an elite cavalry regiment, it just creates a lot of injured horses. giving stupid people smart things doesn't make them smart. it'll just make a lot of broken smart things."
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 02:51:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after the thread!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have written on many occasions, that this (the froth) is why the very youngest of the folks worth anything in computerdom are circa early 1980s
asciilifeform: can mircea_popescu or anyone else remind me, what was supposed to be the upside of being a glass bott^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husing monero ?