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diana_coman: more of "wouldn't pay if I don't need it" and they might not need the shitinsurance
asciilifeform: Mocky: sounds like they're perfect candidates for selling iron to, rather than softs, then
diana_coman: hm, re insurance I'm not sure it is evidence of "wouldn't pay if not tangible"
Mocky: impression i got was totalcostofownership can't compete with how they feel about it in their gut
asciilifeform: Mocky: is the implication also that they dun bother to look into totalcostofownership before buying ? hence the legends of bedouin sheiks buying a merc and leaving it in desert when fuel tank empty ..? ☟︎
Mocky: Another example was horse needed some major surgery. owner had no problem paying for facilities, staff, ancillaries but balked at paying surgeon fee. "i pay you much less for minor treatments, why must I pay more for your time now". Selling them preventative medicine or machine maintenance is a non-starter. They'd rather pay 10x when the emergency hits because then they know they are getting something for their money.
Mocky: because insurance was to expensive for the given coverage, but because "paying money to get nothing". ☟︎
Mocky: They have a very poor appreciation for intangibles. They want to get something they can hold in their hand when they spend money. If it's something they can't see, they balk at paying for it. And if they do pay for it, it'll bother them to no end. One example was dude decided he wanted a car, ordered a brand new, fully customized Bentley. 350k USD. Wouldn't go pick it up when it arrived because balked at having to pay 900 USD /month for insurance. not
asciilifeform stands up ears, tunes in
Mocky: so i dug into what it's like to be in business with Qataris and how their attitudes are, with my 11 new acquaintances at breakfast today. 3 of them have had first hand experience in their business dealings for years now and happy to tell stories. I'll relay the gist of it here. on the following points there was not the slightest disagreement from anyone at the table, only nodding heads and further stories illustrating the exact same points.
diana_coman: I have one box for all the shit, yes
asciilifeform: and come to think of it, i dun think i've used mine in several yrs.
asciilifeform: afaik the only thinking folx today with copy of 'flash' are , like asciilifeform , running it on dedicated winblowz leprosorium, specifically for unpacking virii which require it...
asciilifeform: they're distinguishable ~only in that 'flash' at this point requires elaborate gymnastics to run, involving pretty much sacrifice of a whole box (sorta like java)
diana_coman: ah, I don't quite distinguish between them really
asciilifeform: but for the most part crapple succeeded in exterminating flashism ( to replace with own 'html5' abortion )
diana_coman: and re flashism...idiotic stuff tends to linger
asciilifeform: ok as i thought, ty
diana_coman: asciilifeform, eucrypt, that's where keccak lives
asciilifeform: lol afaik even the heathens have largely forgotten flashism ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: which item in your 'shelf' contains the most recent keccak , to go from ?
asciilifeform: billymg: on list of 'definitely nobody in his right mind will use' -- sslism comes to mind
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 14:55 asciilifeform: it will have to be cured at some point, keccakization currently eats 8x moar memory (9x if counting the fact that it cannot run in-place) than it ought
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864385 -> yes; perhaps as it gets used more, the trouble becomes more pressing and then it'll get done... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 15:13 Mocky: talked to me for a couple hours about biznis, Qataris etc. got some good info
asciilifeform: if your thing is bookmarkable, and readable in 'curl' output, it's generally healthy.
asciilifeform: e.g. building a www that doesn't correctly display when put through archive.is , is evidence of having done something dumb
billymg: ok, that makes sense
asciilifeform: there aren't really explicit lists of 'don't's, the philosophy is really 'don't do obviously dumb things'
asciilifeform: js is used pretty much entirely for mircea_popescu's linkable-text-selection thing
billymg: is there perhaps a list of "definitely don't use [feature], will never load for republicans" ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( iirc there's even somebody with early 2000s 'opera' )
billymg: curious what type of browser environments the lords use -- when writing a theme for mp-wp will need to know what kind of font, css, js support to expect ☟︎
billymg: and to trinque for giving me the task
billymg: many thanks to esthlos, hanbot, BingoBoingo, phf for helpful posts
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=60 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 08/24/2018
phf: Mocky: oh yeah i didn't mean to imply that in qatar specifically it's only foreigners term, seems like the words used are entirely regional, e.g. egyptians call it shisha also. i've smoked too much hookah, so i like to know the whole set, so that i can effectively communicate with the locals :)
asciilifeform: really, keccak oughta be doable in-place. but i haven't loaded it into my head yet and cannot immediately say how to rewrite equation so that it could
phf: i suspect a temporary solution as far as vdiff is concerned is to spoon feed keccak smaller blocks
phf: diff's block reader doesn't necessarily attempt to keep the blocks small, allocates a 39098690 buffer, which crosses the boundary and immediatelly hits the part you've already pointed out: x8 bitstream allocator
phf: asciilifeform: i figured out what the issue is
Mocky: i met others as well, europeans, americans, canadians but they didn't know about biz or qataris enough to contribute to the convo
Mocky: an older american lady who works in a qatari house and has authority over the financial dealings of the sons with business degrees from uni and because of the status of the father (her boss) there are other lower station qataris that she doesn't need to listen to
Mocky: phf well i've only spoken to foreigners here about it so that could be the case here as well, but it does say "shisha" on the printed menu, but also printed in english for foreigners
phf: they ought to call it argile, but i suspect shisha is more international. in turkey they call it nargile almost exclusively, and only call it shisha when trying to communicate with a foreigner
Mocky: today was at a cheesecake factory, in a mall bigger than my home town in which I got lost twice
Mocky: yes, actually, but they don't call it hookah here, they call it shisha. but that wasn't today and no humans in sight
phf: you made it to a hookah bar then? ☟︎
Mocky: talked to me for a couple hours about biznis, Qataris etc. got some good info ☟︎
Mocky: oh my god I found some humans today
phf: no no, that's an unreleased enable sha512, so my point is that it must be something in ada/c interop, or the particular way i do it in vdiff: ksum works though it uses same interface, vdiff sha512 works though it uses an architecturally identical sha interface.
asciilifeform: i'm curious what it was that overflowed it tho
asciilifeform: will have to check
asciilifeform: possibly my stack is set smaller than yours ?
phf: so i have a vdiff that takes an -s flag (enables sha512), and it works fine
asciilifeform: it will have to be cured at some point, keccakization currently eats 8x moar memory (9x if counting the fact that it cannot run in-place) than it ought ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: not sure yet, the bytes->bits bloatism might get in the way
phf: so data would be stack friendly in this case, which is also how ksum is written
phf: diana_coman's keccak interface uses a KeccakWholeThing(...) method (not the actual name), in vtools i added a new interface, which follows the classical hasher format: KeccakCtx() UpdateCtx(ctx, data) EndCtx(ctx, resultHash)
asciilifeform: i was on a box without the standalone keccak, so tried to use vdiff to get keccakization
phf: hmm, i wonder if it's maybe c/ada interop? straight ksum gives me the answer, and it uses the same incremental mechanism (already trie)d
asciilifeform: try it yourself, the 40M snapshot txt from last night was the trigger
asciilifeform: and it happens prior to any output
phf: i also don't think it's a stack allocation issue, ksum against the file works, and the integration between c diff and keccak was designed with chunk reading in mind
phf: i suspect when i was removing various optimizations from c diff, i removed something that let it eat larger files, because regular diff obviously diffs
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 12 hours and 52 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html into 'experiment' tree.
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 12 hours and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i found today that your keccak-vdiff is unable to eat a 40MB file ( dies politely with stack overflow )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 01:44 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i found today that your keccak-vdiff is unable to eat a 40MB file ( dies politely with stack overflow )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864346 << ty, this is a bug in vdiff for sure, i'll investigate ☝︎
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea, at that.
asciilifeform: really mmap is the champ for disk i/o on unixlikes.
asciilifeform: ( once i finally shit out the cleaned/reground/keccakized genesis thereof, it's near in the conveyor )
asciilifeform: there is of course another method, keccak could use my mmap thing
mircea_popescu: i guess so. there were some other items scattered about re what should go in the config file for vtron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform should prolly go in the config file o.O
asciilifeform: adventurous souls who can spare ~hour of CPU, are invited to shit out own snapshot, and diff w/ above.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html into 'experiment' tree.
asciilifeform: ( for the impatient : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/snap_546400.txt ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and yes mod6 it will have to be reground, but it experimental patch, so this is not avoidable at any rate )
asciilifeform: there is not a magical way out of this on linux, sadly.
asciilifeform: but , importantly, will have to arrive at a max, if using stack.
asciilifeform: it's a fairly simple fix, as i understand, gotta up the max stack
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i found today that your keccak-vdiff is unable to eat a 40MB file ( dies politely with stack overflow ) ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers! zoolag going down for ~30min for test of experimental patch, in ~10m
BingoBoingo to celebrate first visual tonsil regression with early beachwalk (They put the lifeguard huts up this week). Brb, voy a ver mis olas.
asciilifeform: and come to think of it, tech #1 did look rather like a 'ows' ...
asciilifeform: finally vendor sends an actual tech, who fixes and takes pics, then reveals 'oh him? he was a fraud'
asciilifeform: srsly! d00d showed up to fix leaking condensate drain, took 3 (!) trips to... not fix anyffing, ceiling drip, drip
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had one of these not long ago !
mircea_popescu: you know, if they just uber'd ows over to your house, the us could also do 11pm
mircea_popescu: "it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm ; it's sad that they're not particularily qualified to fix anytrhing, or even be indoors, really..."
mircea_popescu: <billymg> trinque: update on progress: after several nights of heavy drinking i managed to also catch a cold. <<< bwahahah ok this was pretty lulzy.
Mocky: my AC compressor on the roof had a problem. now these clowns didn't fix it but did manage to break the indoor fan and circuit board as well. and i gotta get up in 6 hours for this meet and greet. gonna be a sweaty night
BingoBoingo: And now that Uruguay passed tranny reparations, they can turn to the real scourge: "Gobierno quiere prohibir que se cruce la calle mirando el celular"
Mocky: i would say that local virii stand no chance against me but that would jinx it
BingoBoingo: Mocky: It could also be that you hit the 2 week mark and the local viruses caught up to your presence
Mocky: and i mean it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm, back in states it's 9-5 strictly, but man pushing up on 1am and they still working and not seeing signals of competence...
BingoBoingo: The Peruana has the sore throat deal about a month ago, but she sought medical attention as soon as she registered a fever, because nurse has to get that work note to show the hospital