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pankkake: you know, there are tactical PENS
pankkake: I thought tactical was it can be used to hit things
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'strategic' - clearly, a gadget that wouldn't look out of place in intercontinental rocket's 'physics package.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if anodized metal is tactical, what's strategical ?
mircea_popescu: far as i can discern this is it, the permanent mode of industry since forever, and how things sould work, and how things that work do work.
mircea_popescu: "This, then, should be the new main thrust of industrial activity: to manufacture and distribute products with the understanding that this process will run out of resources and stop. These products must be designed to outlive the process by which they are made, by as long as possible." << i can't fucking imagine why this would have to appear as new.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'why do half of them have to be “tactical” ?' << 'tactical', in american marketingspeak, originally meant 'can bolt to a rifle.' then it turned into 'can, if really needed, be used as a brass knuckle.' now it means something like 'looks vaguely like anodized metal.'
assbot: The politics of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very much related to flashlight article: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html
mike_c: sorry, thought it was on bccoinnews. it was justusranvier. http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/07/08/re-enhanced-due-diligence/
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/07/08/ryanryans-31773/images/full/16.jpg << from the biology class department.
mircea_popescu: mike_c the main challenge to economy, since forever, is scalbility.
mike_c: i guess there never has been a scalable way.
danielpbarron: idk, I know how to ship a pallet; could be a pallet of linen
mike_c: i don't know any way that scales well these days. jborkl's post was unsettling.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was a chicom die-on-pcb turd. no debug outputs; what was inside (other than clearly, a micro with state) only satan knows. so, i never learned.
danielpbarron: mike_c, I agree; my objection is going through traditional financial institutions to aquire Bitcoin; these channels can be frozen by governments
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol the fuck was it doing.
ThickAsThieves: i guess i can try being reasonable
mike_c: i'm not a big fanboy of coinbase, but i don't see how they could do it better.
mike_c: so it's an anti-scam. if the price had gone up he could have complained and gotten the better price.
mike_c: because that solves all scam problems :) (see gox, bitstamp, every other exchange)
mike_c: you mean, be an exchange. they aren't an exchange.
ThickAsThieves: why cant they allow a deposit to clear, then when they are happy, allow trading with that amount
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flashlight article << a decade or so ago, i had a flashlight that... crashed! when destroyed, it revealed a microcontroller, with eeprom... ☟︎
ThickAsThieves: maybe dudes dont wanna be assed to fight for it
ThickAsThieves: mike_c right, that's where it gets scammy
danielpbarron: "whoops we're gonna lose money on this deal.. so we're canceling it"
mike_c: you can appeal a cancelled tx
danielpbarron: it's no accident; the transaction *was* high risk (for coinbase)
ThickAsThieves: dnt let someone make an order they cant have
mike_c: easy to scammer tag them, but how do you tell the difference between honest mistake and scam?
mike_c: but this has some truth, no? they do have to prevent fraud, and no matter what they will accidentally flag legitimate txs.
ThickAsThieves: "Unfortunately, sometimes it flags legitimate transactions too. "
ThickAsThieves: coinbase tells him his tx was too high risk
ThickAsThieves: so my rapper friend finally decides to buy bitcoin
assbot: Fuzzy Fingerprints - Attacking Vulnerabilities in the Human Brain
asciilifeform: https://www.thc.org/papers/ffp.html << in case anyone has not read this.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uscurrency/annualproductionfigures.html says 26 million notes a day with a face value of $1.3 billion. Over 90 percent of notes are used to replace notes already in, or taken out of circulation.
ThickAsThieves: google says "The Bureau of Engraving and Printing produces 38 million notes a day with a face value of approximately $541 million. That doesn't mean there is $541 million more money circulating today than there was yesterday, though, because 95% of the notes printed each year are used to replace notes already in circulation."
ThickAsThieves: the auto answer in google is different than the truth
asciilifeform: you get coin until he's dead. and then from his children, etc.
mircea_popescu: course, the only way people learn this is through trying.
asciilifeform: steal a coin from man, you have: a coin. steal the man...
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is uniquely unsuited for their methodology.
gribble: U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing - Annual Production Figures: <http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uscurrency/annualproductionfigures.html>; Facts About U.S. Money | FactMonster.com: <http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0774850.html>; The Fed Is Not Printing Money, It's Doing Something Much Worse ...: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2014/03/09/the-fed-is-not-printing-money- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not the normal way (buy some)... << this is because their actual goal is quite independent of bitcoin. rather, it is: to own people.
mircea_popescu: the thing is that there's this large group of professional rent seekers who are trying to find a niche for themselves in bitcoin, not the normal way (buy some), nor the professional way (join bitcoin-assets) but the fiat way (politicing and derping around).
mircea_popescu: anyway, bitcoin as made by saotshi is eminently blind-friendly. you can get everything as json from bitcoind and put it through your favorite reader.
mircea_popescu: mike_c another rule is that you can't send people mail as single-image pdfs.
mike_c: one rule is you don't need the mouse to do anything
ThickAsThieves: i'm mostly ignorant to the topic
ThickAsThieves: "Most people want to make [bitcoin] accessible, they just haven’t considered it. That’s one of the problems around accessibility."
assbot: Bitcoin 'Needs to be More Accessible for the Visually Impaired'
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: braille terminal.
danielpbarron: 13:40:25 <+asciilifeform> dice is iirc just about 6/8 of a byte per dice per throw << not quite. log2(6) is ~2.6 - bits, that is. << assuming it isn't biased
mircea_popescu: blind people gotta use a credit card whether they want to or not.
ThickAsThieves: As an interim measure in advance of issuing tactile-enhanced Federal Reserve notes, the BEP is providing currency readers, free of charge, to eligible blind and visually impaired individuals.
asciilifeform: ('cheat-trons' were outlawed in usa - because they worked. but probably wouldn't work today - casinos monitor their own machines electronically and run bias stats)
ThickAsThieves: then the joy of double the performance reviews
ThickAsThieves: cuz paying them hald their raise sooner will make the job fun again
mircea_popescu: fucking add taking over the nation.
mircea_popescu: "As companies try to retain top employees and hit growth targets, some are ditching the annual salary review and doling out raises and bonuses several times a year."
mircea_popescu: like it's happened to the web.
mircea_popescu: leading to demands to "bring irc protocol up to date"
mircea_popescu: which is a GREAT thing. nobody's making new "fully featured" irc clients, which then don't work,
punkman: and nobody in all these years has made a client with smart join/part hiding
fluffypony: yeah, I don't want to hide joins/parts because sometimes interesting people join who don't have assbot !up access
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: can't we have assbot ban people that do that for an hour? << this actually is a good idea. kakobrekla could assbot put a ban on anyone it sees part/joining 12 times within an hour, with a ban message that "please get in touch once connection is fixed, ty"
asciilifeform: (note that Shannon and Thorp, who used an analogue circuit, achieved the same result in months that the 'eudaemons' took years.)
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i don't know. I guess I didn't feel like it fit the rest of his portfolio. << iirc he ended up with it as part of some other acquisition
mircea_popescu: if nothing else then because of quantum determinism.
mircea_popescu: gimme a protocol-based steel club ty.
mircea_popescu: assbot: ING: Future Bitcoin Protocol Should Include Central Bank Functions << yeah, it totally should. I'm fucking sick of having to bitchslap people like ing from the shadows.
asciilifeform: always yields a sphere << but is the progression from whatever-hedron to sphere monotonic ?
mircea_popescu: now, is this proof that the process is broadly non-positive-feedback ?
mircea_popescu: thing was made for cixi, whom i've referenced before. the process was, tumble the thing in water + garnet dust
mircea_popescu: yes that one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2014#754108 << that one ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the story of the largest crystall ball in the world ?
asciilifeform: and does this vary between the extant polyhedra
mircea_popescu: entropy and bias are not exactly orthogonal concerns, but they're still at an angle here
gribble: Eudaemons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudaemons>; layout: <http://physics.ucsc.edu/people/eudaemons/layout.html>; The Eudaemons' shoe computer: <http://www.wearcam.org/historical/node3.html>
asciilifeform: like the 'eudaemons' and their roulette wheels.
mircea_popescu: some people like to work.
mircea_popescu: this is like the silent/loud computer system
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: too much like work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and why is that ?
mircea_popescu: benkay: assbot's an interesting focal point for the WoT << didja graph it ?
mircea_popescu: but even so, 10 bits a throw, a 4k rsa key needs what, 7-800 ?
asciilifeform: that's for a traditional die, of course.
asciilifeform: dice is iirc just about 6/8 of a byte per dice per throw << not quite. log2(6) is ~2.6 - bits, that is.
mircea_popescu: fortunately, they're well isolated from the wot that actually matters.
mircea_popescu: what's fucking spurious are all the idiots rating on the basis of a 20 bux moneypack
ThickAsThieves: maybe if US closes eyes tight enough the rest of the world economy will go away
mircea_popescu: us, still copying the french, centuries later.
mircea_popescu: FabianB not trying, but looks like it'll succeed ;/
mircea_popescu: benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu benkay eh what, you can tell. // this is to imply that actually discerning females on internet is hard? << yea.
ThickAsThieves: U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew called for a crackdown on tax inversions, saying the Obama administration needs to step efforts to limit companies reincorporating overseas for tax purposes.
FabianB: ic, trying to break the record ;)