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decimation: when your business model is selling baubles to idiots, it's probably not wise to point out the idiocy of bauble-buying
DreadKnight: cazalla, takes a few years to have a proper list of players, that's if you really care about it, remove noobs constantly
mircea_popescu: merely a random thought
decimation: are you comparing him to this situation?
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cazalla: DreadKnight, so message the good players you pug with and put something together
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone knows the famous case of gerald ratner ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> the thing is... the country can't pay anyway, so there's not much pork to be had out of "we need better new planes" >> Not to mention the US is the the business now of buying worse planes
DreadKnight: cazalla, yeah, but to get high mmr, you have to play with non retards, very wise hand picked people, takes time; and you need to either sync in time tables or to have a lot of such people at your disposal, it's a chore to have a proper team
mircea_popescu: the thing is... the country can't pay anyway, so there's not much pork to be had out of "we need better new planes"
decimation: well, in any case russia isn't going to stand for foriegn aircraft patroling its border, and the world knows it will "arm its proxies" or whatever to make it happen
mircea_popescu: if it were 1980s the republicans would have been all in favour, because nothing's better for public contracts than a humiliating, public defeat.
mircea_popescu: a no fly zone would allow the russian airforce to showcase it's unmatched superiority by making short work of everything else.
decimation: right, because every last voter realizes exactly the kind of risk that would entail
mircea_popescu: decimation that's not happening.
BingoBoingo: But in spite of the criticisms the Su-25 ground attack plane shooting it down is probably more feasible than it gets credit for.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it seems improbable russia shot down the thing. << I'm waiting for the investigation to reveal a la TWA 800 that the plane was doomed when it took off
decimation: I think it is unlikely that it was explictly ordered, but I read another news story that the 'rebels' shot down some more ukranian fighter jets
cazalla: DreadKnight, most of your complaints regarding mobas are tied to low tier, bronze league superstars, you don't see it in higher brackets which is why it's an esport and a good one at that
mircea_popescu: it seems improbable russia shot down the thing.
decimation: which euro nation wants to be the first one to try to start a "no-fly" zone ala iraq?
mircea_popescu: no rebel ever lost anything through causing trouble.
decimation: every human on earth now knows that russia is ready and willing to shoot anything down in that area
decimation: another theory of mh17 occured to me the other day: while it seems to be detrimental to the rebel's cause, in the bigger calcuation it might actually help them quite a bit
mircea_popescu: i think naggum was it had a rant on the topic.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight there's a reason pros use particular tools rather than any other tools.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform traffic should resemble people exchanging gpg messages maybe ?
DreadKnight: yeah, very true, screw closed protocols
BingoBoingo: Well, the downside of skype is it forces you to interact with it through the interface it chooses, among other flaws. IRC though... You can pick a client and if it ends up being shit simply switch
DreadKnight: but thanks to the BBA group, I log into skype once a month tops, very annoying
DreadKnight: well, skype is just designed with something else in mind, that's for sure :D
BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: Amazing how often older technologies work better than "advances" that would pretent to replace them isn't it
DreadKnight: this IRC channel works so much better than Bitcoin Business Alliance's skype group
asciilifeform: because in the latter case, two nodes must know something about one another, or mitm is trivial.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one shouldn't be able to spot a b2.0 node on the network << in that traffic should resemble a traditional bitcoin node? or simply point to point encryption?
asciilifeform reminds listeners that he's a rather busy fellow and that they also have hands, and can do all of the above.
mircea_popescu: in principle one shouldn't be able to spot a b2.0 node on the network.
mircea_popescu: also, need much better hidding of the traffix it generates.
mircea_popescu: anyway the hash daisychanin satoshi used was moar like a joke than srs.
mircea_popescu: modularity is teh win
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're willing to ditch ecdsa and use traditional rsa, and eat the cost of longer keys, this is trivial.
mircea_popescu: sort-of where i was seeing the "b-a public registrar" project that nobody wants to do going, in step 2.
mircea_popescu: suppose that anyone can generate txn using gpg, much like mpex works.
asciilifeform: again, as a certified armchair general, i've no idea whether this is actually necessary.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a bad idea. baking in gpg however would be splendid.
asciilifeform: another, perhaps obvious temptation is to bake in the wot.
mircea_popescu: yes indeed, there's at least two items for the bitcoin v2.0 : the wol pow detailed above and the p-airthm balance
asciilifeform: again, why to do this, remains a mystery to me. but people seem to really want it, and could in principle do it this way.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'we want an0nym1ty!!1' folks could be satisfied - use paillier's arithmetic to represent balances. so you need private key to know the state of an address.
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, year zero will cut off confirmation for new transactions, but I would want for the downloaded stuff to not be 10gb; there are wallets that skip that stuff nowadays, though not recommended in certain cases
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: either we keep every pissant transaction around, or we snip. tertium non datur, as i understand.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't think i actualy understand what i want re chaining
asciilifeform: every so often, a 'year zero', and the chain is replaced with a hash of its state. anyone who wants the history, goes to an archive.
mircea_popescu: one of the most important vulnerabilities extant in bitcoin as is.
mircea_popescu: checkpointing is evil tho.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: make retaining blocks spurious << i thought this was solved, at least in principle, with 'checkpointing'
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mircea_popescu: a way to make retaining blocks spurious.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what would you wish to see improved in chaining?
asciilifeform: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down. that's not my department, said wehrner von braun.'
mircea_popescu: ie, either you make waseful asics or else you keep changing them every 200k blocks
mircea_popescu: in particular because of the block increase
asciilifeform: the question of whether this needs doing, i'll leave to the folks who give a damn.
asciilifeform: but the concept outlined here would provide something close to the theoretical maximum of annoyance to mining asic builders.
mircea_popescu: obviously anything that can be made can be made in silicon
asciilifeform: the folks looking to somehow 'vanish' the asic thing will be disappointed, though.
mircea_popescu: this still needs better chaining than what bitcoin's doing.
mircea_popescu: i actually kinda want this built, if there's any hardcore c programmer looking for a major project.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dont wanna weasel out of inflating block size i dont think
mircea_popescu: and of course the 32 can be adjusted as "difficulty"
asciilifeform: actually you can weasel out of inflating block size, by using a hash of your favourite flavour to populate the field.
mircea_popescu: and implicitly the size of the block.
mircea_popescu: except you don't have reward, you just increase 4fold the size of the field.
mircea_popescu: suppose you double this every 200k blocks, much like how bitcoin halves reward.
mircea_popescu: now, imbit = 128kb, which should be enough for the blocks originally.
mircea_popescu: would you say this is an acceptable implementation ?
asciilifeform: more or less, this.
mircea_popescu: suppose pow is, "find a 1mbit value which xored with your block results in a wol-like table which playing for 32 generations results in a table identical to the table of the block as is"
mircea_popescu: but anyway, forget the bitter me. let's refine your automata idea a little.
mircea_popescu: according to X.
mircea_popescu: well they don't do it. they do something that's "just as good".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho it's a far worse thing when they - do - it.
mircea_popescu: the shit can never get old. "here's what i want, here's what's to be done, here's me not doing it". how would this ever get old.
mircea_popescu: now... what part of "the people are more stupid than can be put into words" needs putting into words ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's laugh together. on one hand it's you saying that, one minute under some derp going in the bitbet comments section to say that since ThickAsThieves posted something here about a topic of interest, and magicaltux also hung out on irc, it follows that bitbet is bad.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because actual solution (whether problem ought to be solved is a matter of concern to - other people...) was posted. free for the taking - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590930 - but anyone lifted it? nope ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Hard to decentralize mining when few people want to work the turd mines
mircea_popescu: "Vertcoin has always been and will continue to be the leader in decentralization of cryptocurrency."
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asciilifeform: 'comes as a preemptive strike against ASICs' << this shit never gets old, does it
DreadKnight: moba is too much about lane pushing and farming
mircea_popescu: if the final state of the game flows deterministically from the state at any point, there's nothing for a human to do.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight no. consider the supermodel of all player strategy games, btc.waroflife.com/
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, I think he was afraid of players doing the same things over and over again, or picking only the best units
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i don't like the "learn this succession of small movements" part.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the explanation is i nthe log, which part didn;'t make sense ?
DreadKnight: a lot of people don't really like Heroes of Newerth's artwork, too detailed, yet your character is small
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: deterministic web game for btc is a non starter << this deserves an explanation
mircea_popescu: 'd prolly take a 3rd world programmer job.
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to spend my time doing that sort of shit i