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mircea_popescu: afaik not yet found tho
mircea_popescu: but in principle an... overconducting, let's call ti (not superconducting, simply higher conductance than metals) metalloceramic could be had.
mircea_popescu: maybe some metalloceramic thing.
asciilifeform: the harder part might be ~conducting~ tracks -- would need sumthing that can be moved electrophoretically (i.e. ionic) but then somehow fuse into metallic conductor.
asciilifeform: nao missing ingredient, find a carrier medium that you can do this to, that can be doped to semiconduct...
mircea_popescu: then they interfere.
asciilifeform: nobody says you gotta only run 1 at a time, lol
mircea_popescu: but something like this.
mircea_popescu: 1 at a time might be too slow
asciilifeform: picture two planar gels (or whatever carrier medium) at orthogonal to one another, meeting in a thin line. the 'vertical' plane is yer 'print head', containing single steerable 'column' of $ion; the 'horizontal' is yer 'paper'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'ion pump' upstack , in olden days when asciilifeform worked as academi-grunt in a bio lab, did many long hours of snore at electrophoretic 'blots', where chromatographic rubbish moves along a gel. and thought 'why not bake ic this day, what if you give it 2nd axis to steer the current' etc
asciilifeform: ( still taught in kindergarten, errywhere )
asciilifeform: entirely. like the 19th c lumped approximation to maxwell's equations.
asciilifeform: i'd like to learn who it was, who mutilated.
mircea_popescu: prolly laying dormant to be used as example in who knows what future "discussion" etc.
mircea_popescu: http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/vpatch-replacing-mktemp3/ << i quite enjoyed reading this btw. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( generally if you do it in the part of town where the garages and meth labs are, you dun have usg.problems, at least not immediately )
mircea_popescu: it's fine for i suppose a fifteen year old, though if it carries into the next year there's already mild retardation involved.
mircea_popescu: menalone and their problems, who cares.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: regularly there's word from some d00d who actually bought surplus gear ( see e.g. linked thread ) and 'omfg, i made a diode!' , typically as far as they get ( and it wasn't even because usg.dhs came for his flourine , afaik it did not )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-25 16:07 asciilifeform: reminds me of process of buying autos in usa. picture, you walk in with chequebook. 'i want toyota' --- 3 hrs later, you MAYBE drive off in a toyota, or more likely yer still fighting over 'no, i do NOT want loan, not at 3%, not 2, not 0 , i want to pay with money'
mircea_popescu: incidentally -- there's a very strong link between http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1865962 (ie, the naive expectation that money buys you good in reich) and the question of... why doesn't alf have elemental fluorine in his house ? "well, he doesn't want it" "suppose he did ?" "then he'd have to get authorization, like the plants do" "you mean... buy toyota ?" "eeexactly". ☝︎
asciilifeform: in '80s folx briefly made , then somehow evaporated.
asciilifeform: the etches, the masks, the elemental fluorine gas and other joys
mircea_popescu: maybe the trick is to make 6-connected cubic matrix and burn away connexions via ion pump or similar.
asciilifeform: that's part of what makes the trad process cost what it does, yes
mircea_popescu: incidentally... there's all these LAYERS, because we're essentially making books, ie, 3d object out of 2d implementations
asciilifeform: imho the classical fab is an overwhelmingly incatronic tech, it centralizes unhealthily. ☟︎
asciilifeform: presently i have nfi whether this is physically possible, or how in particular -- could be fpga-like device where somehow the components actually ~move~ into position ; or sumthing where you can optically burn away the unused tracks through 'window' ; or some yet entirely unknown trick.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 16:16 asciilifeform: ( for the sake of thread-completeness, what would the ~alternative~ to this story look like? i suggest -- it'd be a process which does to ic fab what 'polaroid' process did to colour photography. find way of etching the circuit from prefab 'sandwich' without caustic baths, sputtering, etc... )
mircea_popescu: something like that. and peru always had more anyway.
asciilifeform: gotta luvv how even the very name is a lie -- silver ran out there, when , 19th c ?
mircea_popescu: certainly nowhere near the advertised.
asciilifeform: dun seem that there was so much gold in them hills.
mircea_popescu: well what the fuck am i gonna do, marry a local and cultivate the pampas ?
mircea_popescu: in this sense "earth always wins -- eventually gold's out and then you leave".
asciilifeform: and evidently even mircea_popescu's supply of screaming + patience was finite, the argentines ended up curing him of further attempts, not he -- them
asciilifeform: i don't pretend to specifically know. point is, it's an anti-personnel mine field, not anti-tank.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's the intent. leaks like a sieve, not like i don't get done precisely what i want. it takes some screaming, which i got a large store of.
asciilifeform: orig su version of zek fence was the simplistic 'may not go to foreign devil lands'; modern-day reich's is the moar 'advanced', 'looksy but no touchsy' variant.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:15 asciilifeform: whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is not labouring under delusion , however, that 'if only they sold, i could be sitting in $50k mircea_popescu-grade castle', prolly mitsubishi would own'em all )
mircea_popescu: of course, it's EMINENTLY for sale if usg.pantsuit wants it. just oyu know, god forbid any leak in the http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ process threatens to spring.
a111: 0 results for "nu ne vindem tara", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nu%20ne%20vindem%20tara
mircea_popescu: !#s nu ne vindem tara
asciilifeform: ( even if half-castle owner is willing to sell, it gotta be to ~another~ orc )
asciilifeform: there was yet another level of idjicy in ro, that i discovered, where they won't sell the shit to foreigners
mircea_popescu: we're not talking wasteland or anything, this is all orc-"urban"
asciilifeform: d00d commissions a 5-story hruscheba-castle in the middle of fucking wasteland. he's bankrupt the second he signs the paper, whether he doubles down later and goes broke-er or not, neh
mircea_popescu: and this also speaks volumes as to the superiority of the 90s -- i personaly bought hruscheba apts in mining-zone-being-abandoned for color tvs and such expedients.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "baken in" idiocy. idiocy is always actively maintained. in fact, idiocy is both the ultimate and the only http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ item.
asciilifeform: when you haven't with what to pay the whole invoice, or anyone who might ever wish to buy it for even 1% of what it cost
asciilifeform: but the idjicy was baked into the act of commissioning the build
mircea_popescu: without this -- it's communism, admitted or not. either money works, or else it does not.
asciilifeform: at some point he gives up guarding it, as it costs sumthing, and the gypsies move in, i suppose this can be seen as a form of 'sell'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and at this juncture, orc is supposed to SELL.
mircea_popescu: this is the argument against "indepenent owners" among the orcs, too, and in general -- they'll do insane things like keep property 10% occupied for $pricepoint, and ignore that $pricepoint * .1 comes to less net than $half-pricepoint * .6
asciilifeform: i thought it was 'idjit commissioned build without checking whether he has the whole sum'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i saw truly mindboggling number of unfinished-and-decaying half-built houses in timis
asciilifeform: ( see, if you pay with money, the poor fuck manning the desk makes 0 , he only makes if you pay interest )
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the recurrent "ban shorts" nonsense is all about this -- the fundamental pantsuit promise is that "no one should ever have to go through the above". which, of course, is how they wrecked the marketplace.)
asciilifeform: reminds me of process of buying autos in usa. picture, you walk in with chequebook. 'i want toyota' --- 3 hrs later, you MAYBE drive off in a toyota, or more likely yer still fighting over 'no, i do NOT want loan, not at 3%, not 2, not 0 , i want to pay with money' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: buncha retailers in their own mind.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose he lowers the tail and rolls over. "this is the inventory, please, take some, take any, for any price, save my chitlins, my wife's going mad with the hunger moans of the chitlins!!!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, if i for some reason walk into dnc office odds are stupid fat woman will similarly misbehave ; and the "bitch, i diselected your ur-whore" isn't gonna happen there more than in messipissland.
asciilifeform: well if not then how is the dealer to know that yer payment-capable, without 'assess'. or do i misperceive what that meant
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, didja walk in with 5kg of green ? and reply 'here, assess this'
mircea_popescu: (the spanish reference comes from a famous incident in argentina where mp was trying to buy real estate, and idiot woman at desk's idea of the process was that she's now going to "assess" me. that blew up spectacularily if predictably.)
mircea_popescu: and i do not mean that in the negative, art all. literally, let them try, get to know us, figure things out, break their "assesorando" toolchain in the process....
mircea_popescu: republic "can be fleeced" far in excess of their parent company's hallucinatory "market valuation". let them try.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-25 05:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1865735 << i took a stab at this 2y ago, was very frustrating on acct of asic-baking not being a 'cash and carry' process like e.g. pcb-baking, but a heavily meat-powered affair where the derps want to 'get to know you' to figure out how much they can fleece
mircea_popescu: and since we're on all this, let me point out that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1865749 are very much our friends. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Well, we could always try seeing how the Chicoms price modern Z80 implemented in cultured pig neurons
asciilifeform: diff in resilience of meat, and in the toughest worx of man, is much greater than e.g. speed diff between jet fighter and ox cart
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 23:27 asciilifeform: nobody's ever built anyffin with even close to the noise tolerance of meat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863686 thrd, yes ☝︎
mircea_popescu: what exact % -- numeriuc application from those priors.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this bitmistake/milcost is the exact reason human genome is some % garbage.
asciilifeform: and the mistake can be in anyffing, incl. a physical interaction between unrelated components that you did not know were possible.
asciilifeform: much moar comparable to satellite biz. a 1-bit mistake costs you coupla $mil.
BingoBoingo: That's an exageration. This is more of a blank slate nitromethane internal combustion engine for freight hauling.
BingoBoingo: Kinda suggests the 2+3 option seems like it could be had sooner than a neutral field of gates FPGA
asciilifeform: iirc we had a thread re 'ic is deeply incatronic tech' hypothesis
asciilifeform: the plant gets ruinously costlier, per erry 'shrunk nanometre', and somehow gotta be amortized, and the competition gets thinner an' thinner
asciilifeform: imho the race for 'smallest transistor' has been a disaster of incaization -- in '70s there were thousands of ic makers, in '80s -- hundreds, in '90s -- dozens, today maybe 10 .
mircea_popescu: moreover, very 1820s steam engine airs hang about the entire barn
asciilifeform: it is at the level of 18th c. cannon-forging, roughly. erry house has 'seekrit sauce'.
asciilifeform: the actual physical procedure of baking the ic is not as standardized as i previously (to last thread) thought.
asciilifeform: btw the reason, afaik, why erry fab house forces 'standard cells', is that they have proprietary tweaks to their process , and have lib of cells ( kept seekrit ) that are known to work with said process.
asciilifeform: and their magnitude will depend, i also suspect, on how well he plays his cards.
mircea_popescu: are you saying the reeval cycle is too tight ?
asciilifeform: i found this out the last time we had 'let's bake ic' thread, and it was thoroughly depressing, put me off subj for 2y..
mircea_popescu: the exact digits in there are the question here.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't go so far as 'can't', but we're talking 'lease $B plant for 6mo.' sort of figure.
mircea_popescu: if i wanted the center caret of z80 rotated 90 degrees and printed, i could not get this done.
asciilifeform: as i currently understand, that means vertical integration, i.e. building the plant.
mircea_popescu: yes well. how about we bake out of this, rather than into this.
asciilifeform: they giv'em under nda, too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the sad bit is that conventional asic process , as available today in cn , tw, etc, is also like this. you are forced to use 'standard cells' supplied by vendor.
mircea_popescu: so it's how the "industry" works. http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/ is how the "music industry" works.