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Framedragger: in other news, was checking extant bitcoin (yes, "bitcoin", i hear the scoffing) vps offerings. seems to consist of things like https://libertyvps.net/offshore-hosting which has "offshore" and "our NL datacenter" in same sentence

mircea_popescu: this whole "lets you" verbiage about computers, i remember when it started, too.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally: i fully expect the ~next~ generation of intel fritz to use nic-independent trigger (e.g., magic string in memory)

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: "mr usg", i lost it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was suggesting a simpler thing than 'incompatible with internet' -- 'incompatible with intel's built in bus diddler logic'

Framedragger: aha! that'd be something. i mean, still full-on DMA, but yeah, k.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: i observed, in old thread (where? not found yet..) that one cheap counter to boobytrapped x86 would be to make an incompatible Gb nic.

Framedragger: re. "non-backdoored" CPUs, i wonder if someone considered ibm power systems (powerpc, linux can run baremetal now): https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/hardware/s821lc/index.html

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i will, if it turns up again

a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 01:43 mircea_popescu is more than willing to share his dollar-a-lb bounty with l1 all-comers. i also made myself fruit salad out of [actually ripe] mango, [actually ripe] pineapple, [actually ripe] banmanas, drenched in fresh oj etc.

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650704 << over here, all 3 grades of petrol are 10% etoh << aha. i recalled that your swampy corner of the continent was so afflicted. california is even worse iirc. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 22:24 Framedragger: re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them.

asciilifeform: nothing, as far as i could tell, remarkable about it

asciilifeform: tbh i have nfi why the local market is what it is. maybe racing-grade custom shitanium boatz.

a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 19:37 mircea_popescu: the lulz of all fucking time, a grand bought his father a new life 25 years ago ; i just did the household accounting, my petty cash line is a shade over $8`000. that excludes rents like it excludes isp bills or agents on a mission or anything else worth the fucking mention. a grand would buy me half a week's worth of groceries, taking a girl out or buying her some random dress we saw in the window so she comes out of the sho

mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah, not sure how much work i want expended to support nickserv's fiatista notions of dns.

Framedragger: almost as if the thing would need to wait and then send a challenge to that same nick, but this is kinda promisetronic i guess.

mircea_popescu: i guess this is one of those, "pretend like your name reg is worth something without deedbot at your own peril" impedance mismatches not really worth fixing.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: what does that accomplish? !!v to show that key i'm registering is indeed owned by me?

mircea_popescu: i like her shoes.

Framedragger: i like her smile

Framedragger: 30 seconds after nick requested, i believe

Framedragger: "tl;dr: OVH had an issue where your second network card was connected to other servers in the datacenter. This allowed you to run a DHCP server and offer a gateway. This also allows you to MITM several machines outbound traffic, I had 35 machines responding back with DHCP Leases and about 4 routing outbound traffic to me as their router."

Framedragger: ('provisioning' (see link) is (i think) a separate thing.)

Framedragger: re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them. ☟︎☟︎

Framedragger: "I can vouch for iluvbitcoins. I haven't dealt with him but I have a spoken to him a few times a while back." what

Framedragger: i suppose the alternative is not necessarily "buy up bitcoin" (somehow stuck in mind), but invest in business (and possibly (non-nato, or w/e) real estate). (not against my current plans, just, can't do all at once (yet))

mircea_popescu: the lulz of all fucking time, a grand bought his father a new life 25 years ago ; i just did the household accounting, my petty cash line is a shade over $8`000. that excludes rents like it excludes isp bills or agents on a mission or anything else worth the fucking mention. a grand would buy me half a week's worth of groceries, taking a girl out or buying her some random dress we saw in the window so she comes out of the sho ☟︎

Framedragger: asciilifeform: no, and i see what you mean

Framedragger: i use wikipedia for quick lookup of $topic sometimes; i also use it as "collection of references to other places" thing. is this fundamentally toxic? maybe.

Framedragger: what can i say!

Framedragger: so the disagreement stems from that (naive) premise. other parts of reasoning i cannot disagree with, of course.

Framedragger: i admit that i still have this notion of "global internet" in my mind, as a +ev thing.

mircea_popescu: so explain this to me. yesterday i was in ##crypto. after a while i... left. this has the blessed effect that the inept idiocies spewed by some immature dickheads no longer befoul my timeline. turkey allowed wikipedia. then after a while it turned it off. this has the blessed effect thjat immature dickheads no longer befoul its timeline.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: they have massive firewall, blocking at will. could be not a problem, depending on business case of customers of course. and i guess the counter would be "everyone does"

ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: lol if people want boxes racked in the heart of the empire i can do it for 100/mo for a 2U

mircea_popescu: Framedragger i dun right off know i'd have a problem with turkey.

Framedragger: unfortunately northern syria (rojava) uses internet via turkish radio towers (checked / had chat with them once). that'd be an interesting location (kurdish autonomous region; i mean, while it lasts....)

mircea_popescu: i'd have bought in mossul had the idiots been a little less inept

mircea_popescu: hey, i'd love one in say syria.

mircea_popescu: which is why i'm in no terrible hurry ; trying to spawn actual alternative first etc.

mircea_popescu: i'm actually thinking of standing up a similar box for eulora.

trinque: I dunno how a kid from .lt thinks whichever govt is everlasting; even the last two cocks that fucked them in the ass withered

Framedragger: nah, yeah, i gettit.

Framedragger: (just to be clear, this is another is/ought, i was doing the "is" (imho) part ^, not "ought", of course)

mircea_popescu: i didn't balk.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: alright, more than that: i place higher odds of usd surviving in 2050 if put against btc surviving in 2050. why: a very primitive "age of existence" heuristic. and, i don't trust EC crypto, like, you know, no-one here does. so not willing to put retirement savings into btc. it adds up, utilities, retirement.

mircea_popescu: consider : even if i somehow decided to sell a girl, there exists no one who can meaningfully pay for her. what "money" ?

mircea_popescu: i dunno how you managed to miss the esr poverty discussion and the debian dork murder and the devil's leaves metaphore and everything else.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: there is that. point is, world is ~sheep (when approximated/rounded), they have fiatbux/lifedebtbux, they don't care about these things, intel's profits come at scale, hence investing into "decent tech" is not business-viable. is all i'm sayin'.

mircea_popescu: hey, i actually tend to take time out of my day and examine candidates.

mircea_popescu: i don't see much thinking outside of tmsr et all.

Framedragger: anyway, i don't see much outrage in regards to intel ME outside of tmsr et al.

asciilifeform: well for one thing, ~nobody runs linux, they run rathead, africa, other 'i can't believe it's not's

Framedragger: (at least in intel ME, from slides i infer that if it doesn't detect the "ME firmware part in BIOS flash", it doesn't even turn on?)

Framedragger: asciilifeform: no, but the src of the separate kernel at the very least. "gotta start somewhere", again. but yeah i know, sisyphus much

asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you think they'll release the privkey, i got a bridge to sellya

Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah apparently. but gotta start somewhere. and yeh i understand that shit's different *again* since then

mircea_popescu: the exact machine is in the reports when i got it.

mircea_popescu: Framedragger or they have a 3 ring binder, or whatever the fuck. why should i debug their process when instead i could debug yours.

Framedragger: could it be legitimate concern of space in their cramped cages that they are worrying about? (i know, naive interpretation)

mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i want to deal with them anyway.

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu earlier asked some dc for 'i'll lease your box but plug in this 1 thing'

mircea_popescu: i mean of course you'll colocate boxes, this is what you do. isp places his boxes in a datacenter, it's the job description.

mircea_popescu: i don't get what the problem with colocating boxes is supposed to be. pro tip : every box in every rack in every datacenter on planet earth WAS COLOCATED THERE.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i said cherryservers (ex balticservers) didn't want to.

Framedragger: some providers may agree to attach usb devices. iirc (possibly) leaseweb. (based in .nl, i know, but they also fought some 'give us yer customers' cases iirc)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wonder how the ssl idiots handle this ( they have, or at least at one time had, hardware accelerators for their nonsense . did they also have to pay for entire machine colo, to plug in the 1 board ?? )

Framedragger: yepyep. i must say that i had not dealt with them directly, ever. but it came up in my 'ok so what actual non-nato providers/DCs could i use?'

Framedragger: btw, if anyone is considering doing the isp thing, one of the potential providers which offers colo is https://pinspb.ru/ (doesn't look serious i know, but after some research it turns out to have close ties to 2x4.ru, and that's not a bad sign.)

mircea_popescu: oh, i should run it. i see.

mircea_popescu: respectable profit in what sense, i'll trade my time for fiatollars and then what ?

mircea_popescu: is it from the experience of being a businessman, or is it from the experience of being a cocksucker, begging this and that, like the schmuck i just negrated ?

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'll mention one thing tho: you cited "$10k+ / year" figures and all that, but just ftr i don't believe the actual *profit margin* (vs. revenue) would be decent. that said, this should of course be researched.

mircea_popescu: "oh, i'm too fucking good to send some opterons to be racked and btw we begged for less cock. or more. or something, anyway FOR LITERALLY YEARS!!11"

shinohai: Should I invite him here to bare tits for 2 bittys?

mircea_popescu: shinohai ^ post that in there, at least when i get to boil them in oil right and proper they get to hurr durr at the fact that they ~actually had the text before their eyes~

mircea_popescu: and then when i want them boiled in oil i'm supposed to give explanations or something ? hurr.

mircea_popescu: and i mean "solutions" literally.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650350 << i had nfi this was possible. mega-respect. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: to quote "the high standard or mathematical discussion" folk, http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-found-some-area-of-expertise-in-mathematical-cryptography-one-expects-to-find-here-and-there-plus-divers-spots-missed-while-shaving/#selection-705.0-666.26

asciilifeform: btw i'm still waiting to meet an explanation re how 'blinding' (e.g., koch's) supposed countermeasure to timing attack, is supposed to help.

asciilifeform: 'reactor-grade'. i.e. no doubt whatsoever must remain re whether it works as intended.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta come up with proper proof...

shinohai: lol I haven't browsed reddit in so long I didn't realize there is a whole new subreddit dedicated to mETH fraud: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereumfraud/

mircea_popescu: (i said them backwards. auto is the old one.)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see thread - i solved the general case. maybe oughta demand master degree nao, lol.

diana_coman: actually I found the paper too meanwhile, ping me

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649816 << i do not; good q. i'll find out. ☝︎

asciilifeform: say, 1000 * 0010 . ( i won't clutter the log with the steps, will leave as exercise. )

asciilifeform: i'll review, for the l0gz, the 'ancient egyptian' mult algo, which is the simplest practical, and illustrative of the difficulty of determining overflow ~while doing the mult~ in fixed space.

asciilifeform: for my purposes i could entirely do with a constant-time-and-space mult algo that knows when to set the overflow flag.

asciilifeform: however i've also not turned up a rigorous proof that it is unsolvable. which is bothersome imho.

mircea_popescu: mats i'm pleased to see trilema moved teh overton window so.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eBqC2/?raw=true << best i got

pete_dushenski: "Oxford University has apologised for saying that avoiding eye contact could be "everyday racism" after it was accused of discriminating against autistic people." << in other british sads that i can only wish were trolls.

mats: https://i.imgur.com/ozC5uTx.jpg 10/10 troll

mircea_popescu: alrighty, this is turning out to be more interesting than i thought.

mircea_popescu: anyway, as i said : i thought ~this~ is why computers even use binary in the first place.