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BingoBoingo: No one depends on the strength of Argentine paper holding to prop up anything. Even Uruguay has adopted a strict decoupling from Argentina so as to not sink with them.
asciilifeform: mp had a likbez where used example of recent pyramid 'groupon', where similar.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my suspicion is that it (like in fact usa) is a 'paper resource'
BingoBoingo: I don't see a situation where the Chicoms step in to save Argentina. Argentina isn't rich in natural resources like Vzla.
BingoBoingo: I suspect Mandarin is not a language in the mundane sense.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the chinese can show up with the slave galleons and start loadin' whenever they feel like. ( and it is a deep enigma, far above asciilifeform's paygrade, to explain wtf they're waiting for )
asciilifeform: atm i have a distinct unpleasant feeling that the ratchet presently does not ratchet very well.
asciilifeform: imho instead of rewriting logger for 11th time out of matchsticks and hot glue, would be better to make a proper scripting lang...
asciilifeform: thinking about it, i'm not terribly surprised that centos 6 dun suck down a working set of shitlibs: loox like it was released in jul 2011 .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma jump with a parachute made of garbage bags before writing www-facing proggy in c, but maybe that's just me..
asciilifeform: ( and that's a box already, years ago, set up for clism... )
asciilifeform: this is pretty much the last thing i'd be recommending to people to do, save for the fact that i shat out a log sys in it, lol
asciilifeform: i.e. a working x+y+z
diana_coman: but anyway by now my notes are a full novel
asciilifeform: if running bot w/out a public www viewer, it prolly has no business answering commands in chan anyway
asciilifeform: the only knob in bot that actually gives a shit re the reader is the search knob ( see where it expects to find the # of results ) .
asciilifeform: it is in fact possib. to use 1 w/out the other ( e.g. asciilifeform's adhoc mirrors have only reader.py ; one could sit a bot using solely bot.py and then write yer own viewer at leisure ; and so on )
asciilifeform: to be utterly pedantic : the log sys consists of 2 separate py proggies that share a db (normally expected on same box, but can in principle be elsewhere). bot.py and reader.py
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if it runs, will run, all that's asked of it is to forward a tcp pipe to port x (whichever yer py is on)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you'll want a front end thing for it to live under (prolly apache) also .
asciilifeform: with implementation weighing a few dozen kB.
asciilifeform: there's imho a ~huge~ chunk of problem domain that is begging for a simple, well-specified, ~frozen~ scripting lang.
asciilifeform: imho the Right Thing for this problem domain would be a tmsr-baked script lang built from ground, like-this . but so far no one has the free hands.
asciilifeform: worse, not even certain that it is possible to write a clean/light www shitter , considering what http , tcp , are like to begin with
asciilifeform: iirc lobbes actually wrote a vintage-php frontend . but bot is still py and uses same spittoon
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:58:26 mp_en_viaje: Flask is a lightweight WSGI web application framework. It is designed to make getting started quick and easy, with the ability to scale up to complex applications. It began as a simple wrapper around Werkzeug and Jinja and has become one of the most popular Python web application frameworks." << really makes me want to be sober, reading that thing.
asciilifeform: and i'll be the 1st to burn it all when there's a realistic alternative.
diana_coman: I think I got a boatload of the good intentions part.
diana_coman: to cite from flask's description, for full allergy-triggers: A micro-framework for Python based on Werkzeug, Jinja 2 and good intentions
asciilifeform: when i 1st sat down to write it, thought 'ada', then realized that simply to make the necessary glue would take a year, and that's if did nuffin else.
diana_coman: myeah; in case it's not clear - none of the above was a complaint re asciilifeform's work at all.
asciilifeform wrote in py script 'not from a good life'(tm)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if i had a palatable answer -- would have written in ~that~, lol
asciilifeform: this 'joy' is what one gets from a lang w/out paper standard a la ada.
diana_coman: ah, yes, I'm sure 2.6ism would break 2.7, it's more this "fun" of code reuse; and I can ofc install python 2.7 on top; I seriously wonder though what's really the fastest route; because also, above it doesn't even seem to be print, it barfs when importing flask, a few layers deep in werkzeug and whatever
asciilifeform: to make life even more 'interesting', there aint a magical version that can pick and 'will work on all of'em' . 2.6isms break on 2.7 just same.
asciilifeform: ( there's quite a few, turns out; e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-03-12#1626258 . all 2.7 )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: where didja get a box with 2.6 even
lobbes: but server is a traditional gentoo
asciilifeform: a!
lobbes: asciilifeform: my testbed box is a trinqueian cuntoo (see: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/02/a-bridge-to-cuntoo-for-the-lenovo-x61-x86_64/)
asciilifeform: lobbes: yours is a traditional gentoo? or a trinqueian cuntoo ?
lobbes: man, while it was a learning curve at first, I'm loving Gentoo now. Making my x86 system on this server to work like my x86 cuntoo testbed is as simple as just copying over my USE flags and package masks
asciilifeform considers 'make things go with oldest/smallest possib. spittoon' a Right Thing in general case
asciilifeform: a.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: also imho it'd be neat if you wrote about how built the mirror, nitpicks, etc. for n00bz. ( i did not have time to write a pedantic cookbook, and as you can see even the readme had mistakes )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931889 << diana_coman this is so, i found recently when making mirror . feel free to submit a patch to amend the readme, otherwise it'll go in my next one.
lobbes: In other news, I'm emerging a LAMP stack on my new server. Once complete I'll start futzing with getting the logotron stood up
lobbes: I did reach back out to one of the helpful 50 yo subs I talked to though; she actually suggested meeting for coffee sometime, to which I said I'd love to. Hopefully will prove to be a pleasant and educational meeting
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931835 << that was an educational footnote,ty. Also a good reminder that I am still in 'dirt' status, and to not let any of the cannibals out there try and lead me back into pretense
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque didja ever post a arm64 cuntoo ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm working on organizing a break down of the situation. It's a very map-heavy exercise
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile i found a fitting GB switch. 1u plant will thereby house 15 rk .
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931848 << this character mentioned 4 or 5 times recently... but does it have a name ? ( i admit, when 1st saw picture, assumed it was a young photo-shy hanbot )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:37:54 mircea_popescu: dun have to be solved today, we'll live for quite a while as it stands.
mircea_popescu: dun have to be solved today, we'll live for quite a while as it stands.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:18:24 mircea_popescu: let this sit for a little we think more of it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 21:20:29 trinque: heh, I can go hankier. you could instead have a server-side rewrite rule that 301 redirects from / to #
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 21:18:34 trinque: willing to use a minimal amount of JS?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 20:32:28 lobbes: perhaps starting with kanji not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: so then she picks the garbage pile the rooster sits on, calls it aifl tower and tells all her ingroup. cuz right, it makes sense, rooster ? gaelic cock ? it's even kinda shaped similarily! then through the "beauty" of the internet her stupid fucking son is going to pester dictionary writers to "be inclusive" and treat the eiffel tower ~AS A CLASS~ rather than as an item, and discuss "other examples" in the first stage, the
mircea_popescu: (and, for completeness, i find the misrepresentation thereof as "ethical feeling" as displayed in ustarded tradition from carnegie to buffett ~particularly~ galling. it is EXACTLY iliterate huswife hearing on the radio them paris folk have dat aifl towers and going about her courtyard to identify "what could be that them aifl tower in here". cuz everything has one, right, she knows, like when she was a little girl, those u
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:01:43 mp_en_viaje: 2) i never made money, i always made power. the money was coincidental. i never made all the money there was to make or could. nor did i ever give much of a shit, i'm utterly not constructive, a world of nothing but mp will burn down.
mircea_popescu: so in practical, male, power-constructed terms, however you wish to call this : if you fail to make good because you spent all your resources hailing twennysomethings, that's a failure of education (ie, blame the parents, shoulda told you better), but if you fail to make it because couldn't find support in the old guard, well, that's the plain failure to thrive (blame self).
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
asciilifeform: ( for folx not following in depth -- fleanode does not emit timestamps; they come from local machine where a given logotron ran when it logged a line )
trinque: yeah, can 301 redirec them to a URL which includes the anchor for the line they requested
trinque: I wouldn't even consider it a sin if you just went back and fixed all the links to point to present logger, and in so doing, fixed the format.
asciilifeform: but at the same time all links are displayed on www from within a calendarized page just as now , with date in the base url ( the date my logger believes they occurred on )
trinque: lemme go back and try and figure out what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve, unless you'd endulge me with a restatement, because I don't think I'm following.
trinque: asciilifeform: considered just giving every line a UUID instead of int identifier?
trinque: heh, I can go hankier. you could instead have a server-side rewrite rule that 301 redirects from / to #
asciilifeform: currently closest thing i had to a workable idea is /chan/idx#x ( where #x is simply a fixed string ) and generated page contains #x in the right pos, and coloured line there.
trinque: willing to use a minimal amount of JS?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 13:27:15 mircea_popescu: add to that the FUCKING INSANE tlp being annoying as fuck, i'm having a blogging crisis over here
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Well, the idea behind Qntra is if you see a lol, you share the lol and through this process Qntra grows in both author count and in lol enjoying population
asciilifeform: lobbes: normally folks start with the kana ( or you can't even read a normal dictionary or kindergarten-level book etc )
lobbes: perhaps starting with kanji not a bad idea
asciilifeform: there's the hieroglyphs ('kanji') which cover normal adult lit , or rather 95%; connective tissue , proper names, older loan words -- in 'hiragana' ( syllabic ); 'katakana' ( a sort of minimalist hiragana, moar 'runic' aesthetic ) largely for foreign words, names of dirty euro devils, some children's lit.
lobbes: now this is interesting. Once I understood that they had two distinct scripts with identical phonemes purely to denote emphasis/no-emphasis I got a little spooked that the rest would be way too insane to understand
lobbes: hey, that's something. I never even ate a single kanji
lobbes: I assume that having quality material with which to read is a good motivator as well. I confess to trying to learn Japanese for a spell; memorized most of the hiragana, started on the katakana, and then went "when the hell will I ever USE this??" then kind of stopped
snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-24 16:53:07 asciilifeform: prolly only cure is actually snarfing in a few kilometres of ro voice track.
lobbes: It shouldn't be a surprise that I weigh mircea_popescu's advice in such matters with a tad more weight, so when it lines up with my observations in the field it usually is a sign I'm on the right track
lobbes: The youngsters, while friendly, seemed more preoccupied with 'playing scenes' (which are a blast to watch, dun get me wrong, but I desire moar)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 15:00:36 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931658 << ty! I got some old-fashioned selects to update as well, tho not nearly as many as asciilifeform and mircea_popescu. Prolly the only good aspect right now of having a nascent blog atm
mircea_popescu: no, it's from the epoch where teens whined that omfg, "she's claiming not to be a whore but expects me to pay for the coffee"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 15:00:36 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931666 >> 'Ajunsi in acest punct, hai sa facem o noua regula : cine n-are o suta de dolari de aruncat pe luna, .... n-a atins inca maturitatea sociala care sa-i ingaduie sa umble dupa fete' << rly, 100 ? or is this from epoch when 100 bought a flat in orcistan ?
asciilifeform: i specifically recall a ru d00d. rank of no less than major. a: 'what the hell are you doing here' he : 'what ~you~ doing here'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one time there was (is?) such a thing as 'theoretical' soldiers, in usa army. you walk in with a diploma, they sew you a uniform, you go an' 'soldier' in e.g. lab salt mine. at one time asciilifeform worked in a place fulla these. but even they looked moar like someone you could put in a field, than this.
BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is once USG turned to waivers to put more dole on the defense budget... I can't tell if those are enlisted marines or honored "make a wish" outreach victims.
mircea_popescu: riding atop gimp, i never encountered a case where mactardation was even usable. we're not talking here microsoft (shit never worked), nor holy shit "gimp not werk".
asciilifeform: it was a very unusual -- and hence memorable -- case, where microshit actually worked where human tool did not.
asciilifeform: and i suspect that most folx could live 100 yrs and not ever run into a case of editing a 2GB bitmap.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform was 1 time 'lucky' enuff to find an edge case where gimp barfed and had to resort to a heathen photo editor on toilet box . ( stitching segments of photos that weighed GB+ , in the lispm reversing series. on very similar irons, the heathen proggy ran, gimp -- ground to halt. i suspect gimp has some o(n^2)-isms in it. )
mircea_popescu: 30yo with no experience has exactly 0 business talking to 20something subbies as a general rule, it's a complete mismatch, like taking pepper and cinnamon TO the indies.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 08:01:06 lobbes: it was maybe a month or so ago (and over the interwebz), so I can't remember fully, but I want to say she was ~25 years old mebbe
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.