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mjr_: the state of
the network
mjr_: reality is
the state of
the world
mircea_popescu: reality is not what some derps somewhere feel is
the case.
mjr_: there are new features
that
the bitcoin protocol allows
mjr_: you don't have
to notice or care
mjr_: you don't have
to use
them
mjr_: i'm not saying
that you have
to change, i am saying
that new features are added
mjr_: but you
think i can only lay bricks
mjr_: the job
that is done has new possibilties
mjr_: i am saying
that right now, i can use multisig
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski:
thx guys something went south during server swtich
mircea_popescu: well so
there you go. you wish o matter personally, but i don't give a shit. im your employer not your lover.
mjr_: find my employee, he is
the guy laying bricks wearing a hat
mjr_: how you would describe me
to someone who you wanted
to find me
mircea_popescu: one day job was "lay bricks with hat",
the next" lay bricks without hat" ?
mjr_: no, my ability
to do my job
mircea_popescu: anyway, here's
the story : i hire you
to lay bricks for me.
that's your job.
mjr_: how can something
thta doesn't exist die
mjr_: the change
that happened?
mjr_: and
there was a conflict
mjr_: how could you have a clearer example of
the protocol changing
mjr_: for fucks sake,
there was a fork in
the fucking blockchain because people didn't agree on which version
to use
mjr_: and bitcoin is
the miners
to change
mjr_: that changed
the protocol of what messages were acceptable
to mpex
mjr_: for example, you added commands
to mpex
mjr_: ok...and if i add acceptable messages
to a protocol
mjr_: easy way
to see if
things have changed
mjr_: i am
talking about running diff on code
mjr_: but
they are changes
mircea_popescu: what's logically impossible is
to imagine
the bitcoin protocol is something
that extends all
the way
to your soup.
mjr_: they may cease
to exist
mjr_: so, we can agree, you don't care about
the changes,
they don't affect you,
they are irrelevant
mjr_: to say
that
the color...changed, but
there was no change
mjr_: i can run diff on
the code and it comes out "no changes"
mjr_: identical means
there is no difference
xmj: well,
too bad mircea_popescu is ignoring me
mjr_: or are we arguing
the defintion of identical
mircea_popescu: if people decide
to write 2+3 as 3+2 from now on,
that's just a fashion
mircea_popescu: if math changes and 2 + 3 = 6 instead,
then
that's a change.
mjr_: and ignore
the rest
mjr_: i said
that you can use
the subset of features
mjr_: i never said you had
to care
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata
to
the death!
mjr_: you couldn't do
tx of a certain size before
mjr_: that would be
the
textbook definition of a change
mjr_: now
they accept
that
mjr_: miners would reject
that
mircea_popescu: because some kids somewhere are blowing each other on
the machines ?
mircea_popescu: suppose some kids decide
they will have a cocksucking mining contest.
mjr_: i really don't see how you can say
that
mjr_: using
the blockchain
mircea_popescu: your "multisig"
thing is only relevant inasmuch you can actually pay out of it.
mjr_: i don't care...yuo said
the protocol hadn't changed
mjr_: and your personal choice is not
the bitcoin network rules
mjr_: ok,
that is your personal choice
mircea_popescu: mjr_
the day you can withdraw mpex funds
to a multisig address i might care.
mjr_: i don't give a shit how you
try
to spin
that
mjr_: i'm saying
that you can bury your head in
the sand, it doesn't mean
that reality ceases
to exist
xmj: mjr_: you wanted someone
to
tell you
that
xmj: you can't craft a multisig
transaction right now
that will be accepted by
the network valid per bitcoin rules
mjr_: ok, let me
try broadcasting one
mircea_popescu: luke is
trying
to pretend like it is.
that matters in
the sense luke
trying
to pretend obama is jesus matters.
mjr_: that will be accepted by
the network
mjr_: tell me i can't craft a multisig
transaction right now
mjr_: tell me multisig is not a
thing, and i concede
mircea_popescu: a gun is available
to be used somewhere. it may even be used by mike hearn.
mjr_: BUT still available
to be used
mircea_popescu: same
thing with bs "features"
that meanwhile got
thrown out, same
thing with bs features
the spyteam has been
trying
to insert.
mircea_popescu: you may understandably wish
to misrepresent it as such. nevertheless... it is not.
mjr_: does it have all
the elements
that i would look for in a home?
mircea_popescu: if i let you live in my garage because i'm
too lazy
to kick you out
today,
that doesn't mean
the garage is your home.
mjr_: and
then
they didn't
mircea_popescu: narrowing fundamentally means
those features never actually existed.
mjr_: ok, and yet i don't like condoms on my
tv sets
mircea_popescu: understand, if some kid somehwere adds a condom
to his parent's
the
tv set,
this is exactly meaningless
to
television.
mjr_: but you also say
that no, no features are removed?
mjr_: you agree
that it narrowed,
that some features were removed
mjr_: but
that isn't
to say
that extraneous features aren't removed, or stupid ones added
mjr_: and perhaps
they never will
mjr_: you can say
that
the core features
that you find useful have not changed
mjr_: so
to say
that it hasn't changed is flat out wrong
mircea_popescu: <mjr_> i am saying
that
the code
that is running on some mining machines is not
the same code
that ran in 2011 <<<
this.