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TheNewDeal: "Bitcoin may be able to do that one day, but maybe not at the current $40 per transaction cost structure. " What troll-drugs is this guy smoking
mircea_popescu: is this the first time i got called a religious leader btw ?
mircea_popescu: ah, him. well, if he manages to get over himself he might actually do something useful at some point.
TheNewDeal: oh gotcha. Thought you meant that dude's writings
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what trash, th logs ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks << this is a major part of why mtgox debacle was so funny to the old timers.
TheNewDeal: I can only presume there's some thick sarcasm I'm missing
TheNewDeal: you would rather read that trash?
mircea_popescu: somehow i'd much rather spend my time reading that than listen to songs someone wrote based on poems they wrote (the world needs more singers-songwriters and fewer doctors and engineers!)
mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to extract the footnote in question from chapter 17, lemmeknow. i got a log to read.
RagnarDanneskjol: that's the bay area for ya
mircea_popescu: not like this dude is rich or anything.
mircea_popescu: and it's funny what actually plays the role of fiat-denominated investment in most cases.
mircea_popescu: this being the main reason. people get so emotionally invested in their fiat-denominated holdings they simply can't adapt.
TimSwanson: Feel free to email me if you have any other questions
TimSwanson: Was nice chatting with the community here
TimSwanson: Anyways, I am gonna take off
mircea_popescu: show me the dream in the code.
mircea_popescu: oh they dreamt it up
TimSwanson: Pretty sure the cypherpunks in California would disagree with you, Phil Zimmerman may have coded it, but they dreamt it up, etc.
mircea_popescu: i doubt thinking of those people in collective terms is very sensible, but anyway.
TimSwanson: They built really cool tech like PGP or even Digicash and ZKS but couldn't find a target market in a profitable manner
TimSwanson: This si the same problem cypherpunks had back in the '90s
mircea_popescu: this'd be a fine example of the strawman in question. you imagine this is a meaningful question, but it isn't.
TimSwanson: Show me the line of code that has "culture" in it?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is irreducible to fiat.
mircea_popescu: well that'd be where we differ
TimSwanson: Bitcoin is open source tech
mircea_popescu: what i am saying is that you can never have something meanginful to say about a culture from outside of it.
TimSwanson: About the costs of mining
mircea_popescu: i am not actually saying that.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was pretty clever.
TimSwanson: Look, you sound a lot like any other religious leader who says "you cannot understand the movement unless you're part of it"
mircea_popescu: indeed, that's the gist of it.
TimSwanson: Please, tell me the way, the truth and the light
mircea_popescu: no, but should you wish to actually learn about bitcoin, this channel is here.
RagnarDanneskjol: please stay, this is highly entertaining
TimSwanson: Or did you just want to insult me?
TimSwanson: Do you actually have some data about mining you want to chat about?
TimSwanson: Look, I have to go in about 5 minutes
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me what my argument is, now is it ?
mircea_popescu: my actual argument is that you're captive in a mostly meanginless structure, and that it's a shame, basically.
mircea_popescu: well now look. so do you understand the wot or don't you.
TimSwanson: So you invited me, to insult me?
TimSwanson: I have a big network in the real world outside caves
mircea_popescu: you aren't yet enough of a something to be insultable im affraid.
mircea_popescu: well, i suppose the way to reference it in your system would be "the wot games".
TimSwanson: What did you try?
TimSwanson: I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works
mircea_popescu: now, whether this session helped or didn't is unclear, but at least i tried.
TimSwanson: What is the problem I do not comprehend?
mircea_popescu: and i left it because it was apparent to me that you don't, on your own, possess the intellectual means to comprehend the problem.
TimSwanson: Welcome to 2003
TimSwanson: That defeats the whole purpose of permissionless
mircea_popescu: i left a comment on an article that pingbacked my article,
TimSwanson: You do not get to decide who is or is not interested
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the gist of the problem. get interested in bitcoin or get used to not being taken seriously, i guess.
TimSwanson: You are the one leaving comments on my blog
TimSwanson: My WoT in the real world is pretty good
TimSwanson: Then on the right side there is a "scroll bar", go down to the bottom
mircea_popescu: dja grok how the wot works ?
mircea_popescu: this is readily reducible to the problem of "i have a very high wot score". it's not the number. it's the identity.
TimSwanson: Yes, you should press the blue underlined hyperlink button to open the book
TimSwanson: Look in the Endnotes
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how this works. things need a source to exist.
TimSwanson: Okay, that's your loss
mircea_popescu: if the book had no author i definitely wouildn't read it.
TimSwanson: Instead, you have wasted about 10 minutes trying to attack me
TimSwanson: Imagine if the book had no author, then it would just be about the actual content of the book
TimSwanson: Look, all you have to do, is read either book and then you can say what you disagree with
TimSwanson: Yes, I linked to it in my recent book saying it won't work ☟︎
assbot: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Authors: Tim Swanson
mircea_popescu: Great Chain of Numbers: A Guide to Smart Contracts, Smart Property and Trustless Asset Management
TimSwanson: Honestly, I didn't come here to be personally insulted, I thought you actually had data
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol arguably i make a living blogging these days, so who's to know anymore.
mircea_popescu: these two have exactly zero in common.
mircea_popescu: and as to the earlier point : there is no such thing as "legal ones" re bitcoin companies. there's bitcoin companies, and then there's fiat companies that try to make a buck off bitcoin
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think blogging is a real job, no?
mircea_popescu: okay, i'll have to fix that article, no scholar environmental or otherwise.
TimSwanson: If you actually clicked on my LinkedIn, you would see that is the case
mircea_popescu: so you're not that tim swanson.
TimSwanson: I used to actually build mining machines
mircea_popescu: Timothy Swanson Timothy Swanson is an American economics scholar specializing in environmental governance, ... << is this you ?
TimSwanson: I have never done anything with the "environment"
mircea_popescu: you think this is somehow more respectable than "evironment scholar" ?
turbo_ac100: g'night guys. New key tommorrow :)
TimSwanson: Go to my LinkedIn
TimSwanson: I get paid to interview people, find out what they do and then write it up
mircea_popescu: looky : i've been fran kto you. now, can i get a frank answer to what exactly it is you do, for a living ?
TimSwanson: Any other personal insults you'd like to make?
mircea_popescu: so you think.
mircea_popescu: none that apparently ever mattered.
mircea_popescu: i have, which is how i got to this idea
TimSwanson: If you clicked "About the author" you might know
TimSwanson: I hope you enjoy your journey on the High Horse
mircea_popescu: i scored you. the difference here is that in order to attack you we'd have to share something. we do not.
TheNewDeal: I have a bone to pick with this statement "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."
TimSwanson: What is the strawman?
mircea_popescu: which is why the stuff yo usay is lulzy to people here, but not to you.