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ben_vulpes: the thing was ready. now i need to go load the wallet.dat format into my brain.
assbot: Robin Williams cheerleading for the Denver Broncos, 1980 http://t.co/CxMfCl6uIs
dignork: mircea_popescu: it need to be marked as encrypted, otherwise bitcoind might do stupid things
mircea_popescu: you can insert any address you want in your wallet. sure, you won't have the privkey to sign with it. so ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me an incredibly minor point
mircea_popescu: you can grep the blockchain for chrissakes if nothing else.
dignork: ben_vulpes: well, his proper answer would be: here is x-lines of python code, that will overwrite privkey with 0's in your wallet, now load it as read-only
ben_vulpes: i'd be *thrilled* to hear the counterpoint.
ben_vulpes: but someone making comments like that cannot be trusted with bitcoin code review.
ben_vulpes: this guy helped shut watch-only wallets and addresses out of the core client, while merging in heartbleed.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user gavinandresen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=gavinandresen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gavinandresen | Rated since: Mon Mar 28 12:32:28 2011
mircea_popescu: Sir Thomas More: And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience, and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?
mircea_popescu: The Duke of Norfolk: Oh confound all this. I'm not a scholar, I don't know whether the marriage was lawful or not but dammit, Thomas, look at these names! Why can't you do as I did and come with us, for fellowship!
mircea_popescu: there's a nice quote in that 60s scofield movie on just this topic :
mircea_popescu: gotta show me i'm not the only one that can be an asshole!
mircea_popescu: the thing with people is that most of them are better served by following than leading. this is manifested by an inability to adhere to a self-selected set of rules. so, you know, he wants to roll with the punches.
punkman: "WHAT IS THIS ROMANIAN CULT IN A CAVE"
punkman: mircea_popescu: I like how he complains about ad hominem and spits them out every few lines
punkman: oh wow TimSwanson and his DATA
assbot: Inside a Chinese Bitcoin Mine | The CoinsmanThe Coinsman
mircea_popescu: http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-chinese-bitcoin-mine/ << pretty cool article. maybe someone tell the guy to come by ?
mircea_popescu: totally different thing.
mircea_popescu: except random derps don't have ideas, tehy have expressions of what they think are ideas.
mircea_popescu: the numbers are not the problem. their representation is. much like "ideas" come in sets of logical groups
mircea_popescu: you're suffering from tim's mental feebleness.
ben_vulpes: i always thought numbers came in a select set of logical groups
ben_vulpes: floats and longs and dates and times and ints and bigints and omg i had no idea computers were insane
mircea_popescu: i can't decide if i prefer cognac or rum with this chocolate fondue. they're both so damned good!
mircea_popescu: it's a great coincidence that wood burns cleanly and coal only slightly dirty, otherwise civilisation'd have been quite a different thing.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos <<< yes, this is why fires are so dangerous in contemporary urban settings. the smoke kills you more often than the fire.
mircea_popescu: nanotube tyvm, sorry for all the highlights :)
mircea_popescu: nanotube the gribble part is good enough.
cazalla: actually, works for some, not others, maybe it's up to whoever listed it
cazalla: it throws me this message when i tried to grab casinobitco.in update - "You must be logged in and own units of the fund"
cazalla: when did havelock change so that you must be logged in and own shares in order to download reports?
copumpkin: MPOE tanking!
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TheNewDeal: ;;google define: test
gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID. ☟︎
nanotube: <mircea_popescu> nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ? <- if you mean by gpg keyid/print, then gpg info supports query by keyid. website does not currently but in theory that can be arranged.
TheNewDeal: is that why bitbet takes so long from resolved to my wallet :D
mircea_popescu: bitcoin, retrograde in more than one ways.
kakobrekla: <TheNewDeal> do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount? < only the poor people pay fees
mircea_popescu: i ended up in http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?page=3&order=dateup and im chortling to myself lmao.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000" << shoudl be interesting what they rent for 111k. weren't the derps in san francisco whining coupla months ago that 10 / month / sqfoot is "outside of what a business can pay" ?
mircea_popescu: punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop? << three gini guesses, and anything that's not "because they stopped wash trading" dun count.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 get in the wot wouldja.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bats_cd03 | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there << i wonder how much btc they get paid.
mircea_popescu: everyone's just sell sell sell not even a moment to consider it may be veering into the fucking ridiculous after a while ?
jborkl: Never mind the 403 it works
mircea_popescu: tefl/tkt ? holy shit, english teachers are now talking about their connections in the world ? what the fuck is wrong with this world, jesus.
mircea_popescu: maybe some timezone effect eventually.
TheNewDeal: then off peak, back to some lower levels
TheNewDeal: it would be interesting to see if there were peak hours where high fee transactions were the vast majority to get through
mircea_popescu: obviouisly. scarce resource, expensive to make. gotta be this tal lto ride.
TheNewDeal: I'm just wondering, do yo think that is how things will go?
mircea_popescu: well so there you go.
mircea_popescu: aren't they already ?
TheNewDeal: do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount?
mircea_popescu: and it looks like it's gonna go 12.x, and then x as in 6-9ish
mircea_popescu: so per-block went from 50.00x to 25.0x
mircea_popescu: dignork that's not the problem. the equation roughly is, "total btc miners get for mining". how that chunk is composed dun matter much.
dignork: right, so fees jumped from 0.1% to 0.2 #
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TheNewDeal: but the reward halved!
mircea_popescu: if you look at secular averages, there is a huge jump.
dignork: TheNewDeal: well, currently fees are very small relative to pyaouts, so it wasn;t supposed to create price jump
mircea_popescu: real prices don't follow fundamentals exactly. this is how you know they're real prices.
mircea_popescu: something like that.
TheNewDeal: then why wasn't there a huge price jump during the reward halving?
mircea_popescu: what did you think drove the price, "merchant adoption"?
dignork: which might cost gazillions, but you can't count on it, price might rise slower than payout fall
mircea_popescu: otherwise they don't sell it.
TheNewDeal: as transaction fees?
mircea_popescu: that's where this lets go : btc price goes up high enough for it to be worthwhile to miners. that tiny cent.
mircea_popescu: do you see how idiotic it is to look at that in $ ?
mircea_popescu: dignork what's that $40 come from, 600ish tx per block, 25 btc per tx, 600 $ per btc ?
dignork: TheNewDeal: so the logic goes: currently miners are reimbursed ~40$ per tx, what will happen to them when payout drops. It's actually a valid question imho.
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6952.12 GH/s
mircea_popescu: looks 48 to me, but what do i know.
mircea_popescu: chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ?normal? we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy? << trilema!11!11!eleven :D
mircea_popescu: i would imagine somewhere 30ish is the cutoff.
mircea_popescu: locklin never managed to get over being told off.
mircea_popescu: dignork how old is the dude anyway ?
dignork: mircea_popescu: I think it's a beginning of beautiful friendship. or not.
TheNewDeal: I've read that comment before
dignork: TheNewDeal: yeah, but it's an extrapolation, to when miners payouts drop to zero
assbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal nah, this thing http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015
TheNewDeal: i got this https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl
TheNewDeal: Gotcha. I was taking it to mean 40$ in fees per transaction
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's the old "bitcoin is nto visa" thing.
dignork: usdbtcprice/average number of tx per block
TheNewDeal: I have never paid 1$ per transaction
mircea_popescu: dignork did that go just about the way you expected ?
TheNewDeal: I have never paid $40 per transaction
dignork: TheNewDeal: it sounds like fallacy, but it's partially true