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asciilifeform: strikes me as a scheme to provide convenient excuse for fire
artifexd: Does anyone else read !up and !down as "not up" and "not down"?
dignork: "no such thing as taint" ?
dignork: fluffypony, you can, but then you'll have to treat your wallet as non-deterministic
BingoBoingo: I like the Multibit interface more for handling multiple wallet, but I'm liking Electrum more and more as I play with it. I just wish there was a good solution for handling both Deterministic and random generation wallets.
fluffypony: benkay: not for mining, just as a spare electrum server
BingoBoingo: Really this is just the case of doing something already know yet forgotten and presenting it as a new scoop.
asciilifeform: it wasn't part of the curriculum, as far as i recall
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "If I believe at any point there is value or use in them I can just… take… them. If experience is any guide, I shall take them the next day" << do you reccommend that as a general strategy?
mircea_popescu: even things the russians mistake for "slav spirit" are about as chinese as it can be.
benkay: everything oscillates. there is no such thing as steady state in natural systems.
bounce: interesting to see the differences. as an up-and-coming empire they're occasionally serious about appearing to be a functional government (as well as not that respectful of human life; they feel they have too many people running around already), where the US, er, works a bit differently.
mircea_popescu: "The magazine couldn’t afford moderators, as many news organizations can’t." herp.
mircea_popescu: or you mean "wrenches" as in, "lengths of chain"
bounce: you really need no "sniper" people (or just people with a fork lift driving into a high voltage mast, as happened elsewhere) for an unstable grid. politicians will do just fine.
kakobrekla: >API calls are returning a captcha page. Regular visits to the site do so as well, but unlike me, my bot is unable to solve the captcha on its own.
dexX7: probably not as shiny
jurov: as in, the dildo must actually be used when signing the tx?
mircea_popescu: "I'll be making money in the form of a small percentage of grid income, since I will establish myself as an active and effective grid owner of one of the most advanced grids out there. Maybe I'll also have a few DA's that are easily supported by the Bitcloud platform, too."
BingoBoingo: If only Waco was pronounced as a homophone for Whacko
danielpbarron: no, the people there are pretty much the same as anywhere else
BingoBoingo: I'm just thinking that this thing started with one dude and cows as opposed to an entire group of dudes.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as i've run 90%+ of all option volume on btc/usd i nthe history of btc, i would say yes.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones i was hoping for something more along the lines of a set of numeric examples, or in any sense some math analysis. opinion based we've had already, such as for instance :
los_pantalones: i started a math optimization as well, prob best not to share that though
bounce: notice how you can s/hacker/boogieman/ and you'd make about as much sense. in fact, you'd be more honest.
bounce: could be a TLAgency front. then again, why go through all the trouble? might as well set up one anew.
TestingUnoDosTre: showed up for me as well, after I viewed at least one of your articles
artifexd: urthermore, putting bitcoins on your phone is probably the goddamn stupidest thing that I've ever heard of. Bitcoins are going to be the world's reserve currency4, and as such fated to rise to prices per coin that dwarf even the outlandish Winklevoss' most media-hungry "predictions". To leave such a precious commodity within reach of anyone with a USB cable5
benkay: baron must do his lords work or be stripped as i understand it
artifexd: Honestly, I think I'm feeling a little overwhelmed that he appointed me as a bitcoin baron. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014&bots=true#622843
artifexd: And yet, every time I talk, he gives me the time of day. When I question him, he responds reasonably. I guess that encourages me to treat him as an equal.
artifexd: I think my (possible?) mistake is in thinking that he has access to the same information as the rest of us (specifically, me). He may have more people to pour over it and analyze it, but the raw information is available.
benkay: not that i'd know. derpy kid as myself.
benkay: so an entity with an intelligence arm claims a thing is true and says 'get stuffed' when you ask 'but how ams u knooooow?'. how as a prole in -assets are you going to ever verify something the entity spent an unknown amount of money discovering?
asciilifeform: see mp's essay re: how dog sees every other creature as a type of dog
asciilifeform: gotta love how he suggests 'cheap energy!11!' as a yc startup idea.
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ < berkshire is like 30% ahead and yet... nobody bets.
TestingUnoDosTre: I was joking as well
mircea_popescu: because what appears "close" is way the fuck out over there. as in the original graph, midway. the thing's all over the place.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ their job was easier, as they prolly hadn't invented the adversarial system either, so they could actually reach some sort of a decision.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ things degrade naturally, the same vicious circle as exhibited by used car markets that lemon laws try to fix : any seller with above-average value is disincentivised from participating.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre because the server bleeds memory, in principle you can decrypt their 2fa challenge as well as anything else.
TestingUnoDosTre: Not necessarily exactly mt gox style, but that would be included. Something like this would be included as well https://www.bitstamp.net/article/update-regarding-openssl-vulnerability/
cgcardona_: now I'm picturing sean parker as the maitre d'.
mircea_popescu: by now they're on tap as a "free trial" on every budged webhoster out there. gimme a break.
cgcardona_: yes I'm glad I found this room MP. the bitcoin forum is the bottom of the barrel and reddit is mostly memes and flamewars as well. (though don't ge me wrong. I enjoy a good meme and/or flamewar)
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22t5se/bitcoin_as_a_store_of_value_for_exactly_one_year/
cgcardona_: as in 'this room isn't a room where anyone can talk about shoes. it's a room where shoe makers can talk about anything.' ?
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ but technically it's like... "i'm in the club", as in, "i am a barber"
asciilifeform: the only purpose of 'encode obvious payload in low colour bits' is as a university class demo. and for planting.
mircea_popescu: aren't these a bitch to properly discharge, have to handle the tube as itlaunches ?
mircea_popescu: if you're going to humiliate, might as well humiliate in detail.
asciilifeform: as if there is such a thing as a kitchen with exactly one roach.
mircea_popescu: sure, just as long as the scammers pushing it own 99.99% of it all.
ThickAsThieves: as suspected in the past, they may be satsisfying an urge to gamble, not invest
mircea_popescu: a 3 is just as good as a pee to a blind bat
mircea_popescu: first off, you don't need fractions, you could just as well increase the max for same effect
kanzure: so i should read this as '10 trusts'?
benkay: can't say as i have any intention of taking style cues from linkbait article titles.
asciilifeform: bounce: so long as the tube is alive, yes.
bounce: "es leuchtet blau" -- which for some reason is not nearly as funny in the original
benkay: well it sounds as though he's progressed to calling /you/ a fraud. that's progress.
mircea_popescu: it's like "please don't kick us out of here, we know we don't belong, can this count as a getoutof kicking ?"
mircea_popescu: perhaps 10x past week as your prev 2 months
Azelphur: fair enough then I suppose, not as bad as I thought, only thing that would be nice is having it automate the entire process :)
bounce: and I have no idea what google is up to now. so if you do site:example.com it'll substitute that as it sees fit? -- getting results out of them is getting fuzzier and fuzzier so that's no surprise, but it is annoying for those cases where I really want this exact search query and not the "properly spelled" one or whatever those US-based barbarians think I should've typed
fluffypony: can we cast robwhizz22 as court jester?
mircea_popescu: write it and be forever known as bouncespeare
mircea_popescu: you could just as well buy a wife for 40 leaves
pankkake: I'm thinking of hoarding tobacco, as a doomsday currency
only: any tobacco smokers in here? I want a rating as well :)
Apocalyptic: <Anduck> !up gribble // he's already upped... as you are
gribble: Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'cgcardona_', with GPG key id 0F1225CA7384131A, key fingerprint B591A80F8DF61ACAC58C806A0F1225CA7384131A, and bitcoin address None
cgcardona_: "they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea." - couldn't you say the same thing about most people who have a vested interest in something succeeding?
benkay: do it, now you have this tiny network of people who need to see the value of their coins increase. they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea.
cgcardona_: yea spotify does that as well
cgcardona_: fluffypony: more accurately if you *produce* a massive single. writers/performers get screwed as well
fluffypony: because they keep advertising things as "hands off"
cgcardona_: right - and satoshi's quote says "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
cgcardona_: ok then can I spin it as all of the burn in coins will just remove btc from the blockchain thus driving value to the blockchain a la' "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
fluffypony: I also don't see what's wrong (fundamentally) with an exchange being a central point of issuance/authority/failure, as long as it's not built and run like mtgox or litecoininvest or whatever
benkay: fluffypony: these initial burns are just as much a crime as premining.
cgcardona_: i'm wondering how the alt coin scene will change w/ the arrival of mastercoin and/or colored coins and/or sidechains. If I understand correctly these will layer abstractions upon bitcoin which will use a satoshi as a level of abstraction to represent anything (stock option, gold bar, keys to a car, deed to a house, etc). If that's the case then all that value should be driven back into the bitcoin blockchain right?
kakobrekla: robots use mankind as computing elements come on
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if i recall, the original script for the film called for the robot overlords to use mankind as distributed computing elements, rather than 'batteries'
asciilifeform: if you want a portable gizmo that can be 'charged' in seconds, without carrying a bomb, fuel cells on butane (as in cigarette lighter) are probably your ticket.
cedivad: they are using third parties to claim to be bankrupted (using it as an excuse for the delay in shipping)
cedivad: and ship it as a MPP in a few months
jurov: yea, and it strives to avoid evil ASICs but as presumably they can't think of one, it will start with a placeholder one
jurov: such as, turing-complete computations are bounded and paid for by "gas" allocated
bounce: ``[Erik Naggum] disliked C++, though not as much as he hated Perl, but he generally thought that C++ was too difficult to understand to such a degree that only about 5 people on the planet truly understood it and hence was of little value for humanity.'' (wikipedia) -- how's that for an elitist language, eh. jealous much? *gdr*
jurov: context for poor logreaders: *** [\\\\\\\\\\\\\\] is now known as [\\\]
mircea_popescu: khersonus wanted to do options just as the spot market is disintegrating.
bitcoinpete: as if they're sucking sweden's strength
mircea_popescu: the incentive to do it is actually negative. if you run a site as a us business, and they can directly steal your data this way, they will.
mircea_popescu: founded by the portuguese as EXACTLY a corp town
mircea_popescu: well, they didn't exist in brabant as such, nor in northern italy, nor in england
mike_c: BI is (as usual) blowing shit out of proportion for headlines. 6 people were pissed they got evicted and made a sign. who cares.