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gribble: Nick 'phf', with hostmask 'phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf', is identified as user 'phf', with GPG key id 5356DE4752432A9E, key fingerprint BDDE12104FE81BE7F83B698F5356DE4752432A9E, and bitcoin address 1N3iZVTNu4kco858zTpHUkfpzAWj6Uma7S
wywialm: what they should do is to do as-neutral-as-possible QE. Think about it, if you have a bank, and demand for your notes skyrockets, you issue more, not less, right?
wywialm: and they are cowardly, i believe, as they could push interest rates lower even in their imperfect framework
wywialm: not necessarily, as i tried to point earlier
bitcoinpete: wywialm: right, which all means that the losses, as well as the profits, are privatized, whereas we currently socialize large losses
wywialm: first, there are menu costs and other costs of price adjustments, such as making plans and accounting
benkay: wywialm: it's money as a unit account for the bitcoin holders that matter.
jurov: popping of reality/stock bubble as usual?
wywialm: probably, let's leave bitcoin for now, as it's not money as a unit of account for majority of bitcoinholders
wywialm: so, withholding money from circulation might have similar effects (and we believe them to be negative) as coin loss?
wywialm: i happen to agree with you, especially considering bitcoin deflation argument, but if so, wouldn't e.g. printed-money-spending benefit economy as well in some cases?
bitcoinpete: TestingUnoDosTre: might as well :D
bitcoinpete: numerisTrade: the irs' ruling of bitcoin as property is actually quite accurate and intelligent. bitcoin is far more like property overlooking central park than the dollars in our pockets
wywialm: well, bitcoin is medium of exchange, you can play with definitions as you wish, but it won't help with understanding anything
bitcoinpete: numerisTrade: i imagine that a currency whose supply is decreasing over time wouldn't make for a very good currency. an example of this would be the picassos in the world today. over time, they're lost to fires, floods, irreparable damage, etc. as such, no one defines picassos as currency just as no one sane defines bitcoin as money
numerisTrade: bitcoinpete, would then *steadily shrinking* currency unharmful as well?
bitcoinpete: and the harm as being entirely necessary
bitcoinpete: wywialm: as hamlet said: “there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
kakobrekla: anyway, as i said, complaints to go to MP
fluffypony: I look forward to running it, as long as I can invest in the "company" behind it with BitShares or ProtoShares or whatever-the-fuck-shares
bitcoinpete: benkay: "aristocracy" works like as well as ever. Also, very much enjoyed your recourse piece :D
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
gribble: Nick 'numerisTrade', with hostmask 'numerisTrade!57ccf3c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.204.243.194', is identified as user 'numerisTrade', with GPG key id 3B5A64169734D48F, key fingerprint 8D77A1296B71AD54AD09F2FD3B5A64169734D48F, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: What are your thoughts on this unescrowed bet as an entante that might establish a measure of trust?
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: My waking hours as well as my online hours can be rather unpredictable even for myself. If you can find and event and we can agree to it before it plays I'd be amenable.
numerisTrade: ok, I'll prepare something. If you aren't on the channel then, I'll leave you a message, I'll be on the channel up till 21:00 GMT, or we'll meet tomorrow same time as today
numerisTrade: I agree, as you might have noticed, I'm still quite small
mircea_popescu: basically, as a us citizen you're better off if your accountant runs off with your money than if your accountant misfiles your taxes.
TomServo: asciilifeform: I've actually been here quite a while (2+ years I'd guess). Hard for me find conversation as stimulating as what happens here.
mircea_popescu: yet the newspaper died, as did the book.
asciilifeform: as well as maths, physics people.
asciilifeform: kamkin was known as a place where intelligence goons from both sides shopped.
BingoBoingo: This goes to the Orlov, the USSR was set up be not collapse as painfully as the thing could have otherwise.
BingoBoingo: Eh, if bad collapse happens the teaparty factions are just as likely to be oppresive and appropriate your crops as the gobmint factions
mircea_popescu: mod6 because nobody could have imagined that the terrorists would use a plane as a dildo.
mircea_popescu: “In the decades ahead, should we be as white as we are today, we will be relentlessly driven toward mediocrity; or, become a sad shadow of our current self,” Mr. Shepard said in a recent blog post
BingoBoingo: Well as Bitcoin continues to detach from fiat, bets pegged to fiat exchanges get moar dangerous
benkay: but not as much as i miss tiberius and minersdidit
TestingUnoDosTre: Or "Chartist" as my brother call them
asciilifeform: my new pad, as of next month, has a yard. so i shall find out.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno about in your location, but here a license is nominally required. Much as for fishing.
BingoBoingo: Ah, this Baron thing is hard. Especially when it comes to considering what may be worthy of accepting someone as a Ridder or Jonhkeer
Apocalyptic: given he mentionned that as the #1 thing
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla apparently if id'd but untrusted guy pms assbot he gets the same message as if he weren't id'd.
Apocalyptic: chairman_meow, it's working as intended
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: as if anyone gives a shit if danny brewster's daughter ends up in a snuff video or in cypriots have talent
BingoBoingo: bounce: Sure but I dunno what a MIPs cooks as. A Vax though is a noble animal that has the potential for a delicious meat pie. Also just the sound of Vaxberry Pie works.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: agreed. is this about the time I self-identify as a bitcoin-assets cultist?
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P << i just belive everyone who isn't is going to be relegated to the salt mines. why should every human qualify as a "user" ?
fluffypony: as it makes drive-by attacks much harder
Naphex: and then you would've have kept the scale value as well right
mircea_popescu: if i were designing this it'd all be satoshi based, and your 19.99 dollars'd read as 1999000000
Naphex: mircea_popescu: bigdecimal gets to deal with all that, and you don't have to store multiple currencies with a scale value as well
Naphex: bounce: trading api just hits same engine api server as the frontend
Naphex: Apocalyptic: as in write a C .so to implement/optimize bogdowns
Naphex: and i do C, C++ as well
pankkake: fluffypony: yeah. even though, again, I really don't like Java as a developer
Naphex: BigDecimal performance nicely as well
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> java is focused on security ?! // surprised as well, it's not focused on performance either
wywialm: and hordes of speciffically flavoured keynesians fearing the zero lower bound of interest rates, the called for fiscal expansion as a substitute
wywialm: bonds as a claim
wywialm: china banking system is built upon dollar reserves, after they evaporate, china could only use military force. And when it comes to war, any claim can serve only as a pretext
asciilifeform: as 'first second party!11!'
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I have constant issues with customers marking order updates as spam accidentally/on purpose, have that happen a few times and suddenly all customers stop getting emails from your domain
mircea_popescu: the us can collapse in all of two weeks, as tech stands today.
mircea_popescu: bounce as a "map the rot" project this is probably valuable even if it gets no direct results.
wywialm: bounce, surely, but the ussr collapse, which is (as i noticed) main reference point now, lead to less centralization
fluffypony: dexX7: typically they let it through but flag it as spam unless something is very wrong
dexX7: can anyone tell me how google and other providers handle email rejections? i have some trouble with a hoster which i'm using as intermediate hop to relay my mails.. and currently every request/mail is rejected. service said they'll fix it "in the next 24 hours" -.-"
bounce: IMO there's a larger issue but this is as good a hook as any, and that's that plenty the infrastructure relies on same being present and functional. there's a few ways to guard against that, and we might investigate them all.
mircea_popescu: no violence, massive humiliation, come back in two decades as a major.
mircea_popescu: bascially works as anti aircraft too
BingoBoingo: Well they give is paygrade as E-3 and the year 2010, lemme pull up the paycheck
gribble: Nick 'wywialm', with hostmask 'wywialm!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl', is identified as user 'wywialm', with GPG key id B8F8FFF5052A2FA4, key fingerprint 6066C0309D81DBE48E97D6CCB8F8FFF5052A2FA4, and bitcoin address None
fluffypony: yeah, same as here
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whippet | Nitrous oxide found in small metal cannisters used in refillable whipped cream cannisters. Used as an inhalant drug to get high.
bounce: ``Because this is still the prime (and only meaningful) communication forum for bitcoin and those of us who believe in bitcoin try to keep it as useful as possible.'' -- ckolivas https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-2#post-5745988
Naphex: as a bussiness its a monthly limit for 220k RON
mircea_popescu: Naphex as a business ?
gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
kakobrekla: and i was 'sassing' some mod, they took my avatar rights as a reward.
pankkake: what's your username kakobrekla? (I'm simply pankkake as I am everywhere)
ThickAsThieves: i'm not quite as nerdy as it seems
mircea_popescu: hey kakobrekla : your !b add-on was so successful, people don't even know how to bash as a result.
nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: here in canada, we keep smokers alive as long as possible. tis a burden
mircea_popescu: pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses << well when it was made it didn't look as clear as it does now. and if it had another month to go, it wouldn't look clear now, either.
mircea_popescu: their price signal is worth about as much as reddit opinion
fluffypony: didn't someone mention ransomware the other day, and how that may have contributed to the last run as people who would otherwise have been disinclined to purchase went and purchase?
fluffypony: guru.com as well
mircea_popescu: pankkake a number of options as to where to throw your btc down a well and hope while waiting aren;'t options in the sense we need.
mircea_popescu: pls tell me they weren't advertised as Marital AIDS
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness : if you tried to get anything "As a barbarian" 2k years ago, also.
asciilifeform: if you try to get it 'as human' you generally get your arse handed to you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rent is, if you're renting as a company.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well there's a bunch of recent construction american ghost towns as well
kakobrekla: 02 Nov 10:34 Satoshi Poker will delist its asset on CryptoStocks as its team is unreachable. Shares will be bought back at 0.001 share price, giving its shareholders 25% ROI
mircea_popescu: vision and a budget steps in and takes over. At this moment there is a deficit in player funds, and I would be able to cover them by taking out another bank loan but at this point I would rather sell it and cover all balances from the buying price, as it is pointless to run an internet business with no marketing or development budgets and basically working full time to maintain the just under $1000 in monthly turnover.