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mircea_popescu: the reason we met is because for a few years
that is no longer
the problem.
mircea_popescu: that ~used~
to be
the problem, before we met, for many years.
usg_press_machin: I
think
the problem is
that governments can do nasty
things. We each have our own way of dealing with it. I do so within
the rules
the system sets out; MP does it his own way. Different approaches.
mircea_popescu: has nothing
to do with murder. everything
to do with college degrees, global warming and so on.
mircea_popescu: "this isn't a good apple because its not fda approved" "have you
tasted it ?" "i don't need
to"
mircea_popescu: well ok, so now we can agree,
the problem is
the red
tape.
justusranvier: Psychopaths gonna psycho in any situation.
The current situation is
that when certain psychopaths put on
the right costume, all of a sudden something flips in everybody else's brains wherein
they regard
the actions of
the psychopath in completely oppostie moral
terms.
mircea_popescu: the salem
trials is
the convenient case study here. you can decry
them as "incipient government establishing itself
the way government establiushes itself all
time, all places :
through murder". but just as well... people kill, and some killers are persuasive.
justusranvier: The myth has nothing
to do with
the mindset of
the murder - it's about everbody else.
mircea_popescu: that's also never going away. if i
thought
the victim was kinda cool i'd not have killed
them. once i killed
them, obviously i will go on
thinking
they sucked.
justusranvier: True,
there will always be murders. What can be ended is
the myth
that murder isn't evil just because somebody drapes a fancy
title on
themselves and cloaks
their actions in euphamisms
justusranvier: Murder is murder, no matter what kind of costume somebody wears. "The state" is
the lie
that a magic costume can
turn murder into "public policy" or some other such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the state as a voluntary association, all
they who choose and wish
to pay
taxe sand obeys
the law is what we have here already.
mircea_popescu: well bureaucracy needs
to control
the money, and so
that's
the end of
that.
usg_press_machin: I
think it was Hannah Arendt who pointed it out - "bureaucracy is rule by nobody"
justusranvier: "the state" is an excuse one group of people make up
to explain why
their crimes are actually virtuous
usg_press_machin: If "sovereign" means "monopoly on
the use of force" or determining how force should be used, I'm in
the camp
that
the state makes
that call.
There should be exceptions and limitations, and it's
the
task of politically active people
to make sure
those lines reflect
their views.
ben_vulpes: pity
those of us fighting for sovereignty
usg_press_machin: Thanks Mircea. I
think crypto has a place
to carve out individual privacy, but I don't
think it necessarily follows
that
the only option is
to view
the relationship in
terms of conflict. Reading now
mircea_popescu: (but it rests me at ease
to hear from
the usg_press_machine itself
that crypto is no longer armament)
mircea_popescu: to me it sounds kinda like "a movie can't be good if it doesn't have car chases and
those anti-physical sparks bullets make in hollywood"
mircea_popescu: how's
this formal approach
to
things worked for you so far ?
usg_press_machin: I'd disagree -
that'd be protest. Rebellion implies something a bit more organised, serious, and
threatening.
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as someone';s breaking
the law and not paying
taxes, yes.
that'd be
the definition of a rebellion.
mircea_popescu: the situation is in fact quite symmetrical, whichever side you're on
the other will prolly not like it.
mircea_popescu: in short : your notion
that sitting with
the usg is safe and joining
the rebels is dangerous is fundamentally broken. sitting with
the usg is safe except if
the rebels get
the upper hand.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and as
to "never ever" : pre nurenberg,
this
trying of a foreign power's officers and ministers had also never ever happened.
mircea_popescu: here's
the legal convention : anyone who worked for
the
tsar in any capacity, 20 years diging ice in siberia.
kakobrekla: it would be prolly better
to detect log url, parse it and just go after
the line directly in db
usg_press_machin: It's a question of legal convention. Paying legal
taxes
to a legally installed government has never, ever been considered a war crime. I'll
take my chances
mircea_popescu: the future is eminently unknowable. i for one am definitely going
to push for hangings.
ben_vulpes: another good idea dies on
the spikes of pressed shitboard
usg_press_machin: mircea_popescu yes but I don't
think paying
taxes
to
the USG - no matter what
the USG does - is Nuremberg material.
mircea_popescu: there's no rule of nature
that says
the us can never be so identified. for
those people who do make
that identification, you're a criminal.
kakobrekla: there are ways
to execute js w/o a browser but
that is kinda silly.
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin but anyway, a secondary point
to your " obeying
the law and paying
taxes?" is
that if you happen
to be obeying
the "laws" of a
terrorist organisation and giving it money, you may end up in hot water with a lot of people.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: if
the js
that highlights
the line also alters
the
title node would assbot be able
to read
that
title?
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes url hash
tags dont get sent
to
the server.
mircea_popescu: how
the fuck am i going
to make gilded business cards
then ?
mircea_popescu: "A proper approach
to key management.
This could be anything from centralized key management as in Apple's iMessage -- which would still be better
than nothing --
to a decentralized (but still usable) approach like
the one offered by Signal or OTR. Whatever
the solution, in order
to achieve mass deployment, keys need
to be made much more manageable or else submerged from
the user altogether."
ben_vulpes: now if !s stuff defaulted
to ignoring bots as well...
mircea_popescu: "(Let's not get into
the NSA's collect-it-all policy for encrypted messages. If
the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP.)" << best part :D
ben_vulpes: or if
there are less retarded ways
to accomplish same
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: dunno if you're into
this sort of
thing but if you grabbed
the logline in question with
the same js
that does
the highlighting and slammed it into <title></title> would it show up for assbot
to read directly into
the chan?
mircea_popescu: please get me some anti-eyeroll
tape i might strain something.
decimation: I would agree with his point
that
the pgp protocol is complex, but I suspect
that anything
that
tries
to solve
the same problems will have similar complexity
mircea_popescu: "The lack of
transparent key management in PGP isn't unfixable. For
those who don't
trust Google or Yahoo,
there are experimental systems like Keybase.io
that attempt
to
tie keys
to user identities."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu:
tell me about it i had a dev send me an ssh key in a fancy attachment
the other day
mircea_popescu: by now i can sorta distinguish
the noobs from
the veterans because
the noobs send me gpg blobs with "Content-Type: multipart/mixed;" mixed in, whereas
the veterans just neatly paste
the pgp in
the email body.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <decimation> but mircea_popescu, you are leaving out
the masses << Is
that what you want
the oncologist
to do?
mircea_popescu: as if you know, plaintext mail isn't end
to end encrypted. why not ? i do it all
the
time.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And
they completely forget
that if you NEED end
to end encryption... A key exchange is happening privately nomatter what yahoo or Gmaul's shit insists on
decimation: but mircea_popescu, you are leaving out
the masses
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's so lulzy,
the crap
these people publish. "o i hate pgp, it's
too secure, pls
to use centrally distributed keys, so much lightyears better"
decimation: the fact
that he says
that
the cryptography is old (and
therefore bad) pretty much explains his cryptographic chops
assbot: certificate
transparency for PGP? | discrete blogarithm
assbot: A Few
Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's
the matter with PGP?
decimation: bitcoin has already gone
to
the moon, some of
the world hasn't figured
that out yet
BingoBoingo: usg_press_machin:
There's at least 800 different alternatives
to your
two presented options and
there are 796 of
those alternatives are compatible with at least one other option. GO! Math!
decimation: bitcoin doesn't need anyone
to have an opinion or
thought about it in order
to exist
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin if you read
the logs, you've seen how well
this entire "try and force mp into our preconceived headboxes" worked before.
assbot: Venture Capitalists Get Paid Well
to Lose Money - Diane Mulcahy - Harvard Business Review
usg_press_machin: if you're into it
to fight
the state,
then go for it, I can respect
that viewpoint.
usg_press_machin: If you're into it
to go
to
the moon - mass adoption (hence legal frameworks) are key
usg_press_machin: But
this is
the
thing with my question about asking why you're into bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: there is definitely something wrong if
trying
to present
that as anything but fucking weird.
usg_press_machin: So what's wrong with doing bitcoin while... say, obeying
the law and paying
taxes?
BingoBoingo: I guess it's
time
to
trade paper ATC IOU's (maybe joking?)
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03
TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a normal function of
the adult mind, like writing, or like fucking. you're not into
these for anything other
than you know, being an adult, being alive, doing
the
things
that
there are.
mircea_popescu: to quote an old
timer, "i have no idea, [you] just wandered in here one day and started
talking"
mircea_popescu: bycicling isn;t a functon of people who can't ride bikes either. do you want more people
to ride bykes ?
usg_press_machin: Maybe. But
the question is, do you want
the derps
to use it at all