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asciilifeform: and they all require skill.
asciilifeform: but none of these are pauperizable.
asciilifeform: gears are routinely cut with waterjet, or plasma torch, or electric arc (not to be confused with electrolytic) machine.
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TheNewDeal: they're CNC machines though, so you can do some cool in-lay stuff with em though http://imgur.com/Botjoww I did that with a guy in chicago
asciilifeform: how to drill a hole without a drill.
asciilifeform: for those who don't know russian, the photo should suffice.
TheNewDeal: counter-tops that is
TheNewDeal: they cut out granite, marble, and man-made stone for the most part. I've heard some people cut steel with em
TheNewDeal: water-jet ... that's what I do!
decimation: well water-jet cutting is up there too
mircea_popescu: there is some 3d ablative tech sort-of similar, but mostly limited to medicinal use
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc plasma cutting is 2d for a very similar reason : too damned expensive.
asciilifeform: outside of the russian world, electrolytic machining only caught on in 2d - this is how circuit boards are made. (photographic etching)
decimation: yeah that makes sense, too little mass in contact
mircea_popescu: something like that yea.
decimation: what about plasma cutter? wouldn't that heat while cutting?
mircea_popescu: but the sun heat is even.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually one should be able to anneal in jungle conditions. put gun on rock, put lens on gun around 7am. by early morning next...
asciilifeform: have to take the piece out of the machine, anneal (soften) it, re-mount, re-align...
asciilifeform: you cut, and the metal in that place is now hardenes.
mircea_popescu: the friction heat'd be the problem
asciilifeform: it is more or less impossible to anneal (and, opposite, harden) all but the smallest objects in 'jungle conditions'
asciilifeform: (or with a 'knife' in the general sense)
asciilifeform: point of the above unfinished tale is, most of the difficulty of machining as a field revolves around the unwanted sequelae of having to cut metal with metal.
mircea_popescu: you know one of you two needs to get a real name thing going. it's so fucking difficult for me to keep diametric and decimation apart in my head.
decimation: yeah I guess cnc mill counts for that
asciilifeform: (but he's a thinking man; no idea what 'maker derps' do)
asciilifeform: he owns a cnc mill, the size of a tv set.
asciilifeform: decimation: they do.
decimation: I wish 'maker' derps would build machining devices rather than plastic molders
asciilifeform: tungsten carbide is brittle. but - yes, trivially.
asciilifeform: if you're fine with waiting a year for the, e.g., pistol, draw 1 amp instead of 1000.
mircea_popescu: can you make a tungsten carbide shooter ?
decimation: you can achieve good tolerances too
asciilifeform: and the hardness of the material being cut doesn't matter at all - so long as it conducts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is it expensive to do ?
asciilifeform: it was a response to the nato embargo on selling 6-axis milling machines to the sovblok.
asciilifeform: this was perfected in ussr, and the only vendor of electrolytic mills (which could trivially 'etch' small - or large - arms of whatever kind, on a desktop) is still russian.
mircea_popescu: are on the record stating something like "well these two idiots came in, one a complete nobody , the other a dork, but we figured... whatever, it's just a script, we've not spent that much money on it"
asciilifeform: speaking of which, time for today's 'sovietism.' not one english-speaking fellow i've met seemed to know, that you can machine arbitrarily hard metals with no cutting elements (no noise, no wear, no need for massive ballscrews or slides, etc.)
mircea_popescu: somewhat vaguely related : the nbc producers that decided to greenlight seinfeld, the largest grossing production in the history of nbc and the thing that even made sitcoms a thing
mircea_popescu: which it is. and yet... the discussion isn't whether it looks promising (in the terms of today)
asciilifeform: as i recall, locklin's observation was that 'printed' gun is a technowankerous curio, vastly inferior to an aggregation of discarded plumbing parts and a rusty nail
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah i see what you mean. i took it literally :D
mircea_popescu: decimation well if there weren't problems...
decimation: the broken-ness becomes a negative externality that is distributed randomly
mircea_popescu: where is the locklin one. basically his thesis was that "printed guns will never work because the barrel isn't sexy"
decimation: the problem is that with something like computing, it's "somewhat broken"
asciilifeform: (too 'cold' in the simulated annealing sense. i.e., not psychotic enough.)
asciilifeform: ^ old discussion of why china failed to technoclobber europe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was this where i was disagreeing with locklin's similar idiocy ?
mircea_popescu: and by too clean i mean the sort that doesn't bareback random whores because "who knows what may happen"
asciilifeform: like many successful/creative types, he had a 'red dwarf phase' of life
mircea_popescu: decimation this is a particular sort of methodological error strategists of the "too clean" variety make. the error is to imagine that what's in question is whether the new thing is promising (positive) rather than broken (negative). fact is any new thing that isn't broken will probably outperform any current thing simply because business is about growth.
asciilifeform: (so it isn't entirely clear that he was wrong)
assbot: Shockley diode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: 'Shockley was the only one to publicly acknowledge his donation to the sperm bank.' (pediwikia)
decimation: yeah he basically said "forget about the transistor, really complicated diodes are the future"
mircea_popescu: wasn't he the guy who overengineered a diode while neglecting transistors to the point nobody could afford it ?
asciilifeform: shockley did, if i recall, hit upon the idea of building a sperm bank to.. hand out own sperm
mircea_popescu: from experience girls will forget flamboyant failure much easier than boring drudgery.
mircea_popescu: at least hughes was not a boring stolid "social improvement" type.
decimation: fortunately they had the sense to follow noyce into the middle of nowhere and start a new business
asciilifeform: howard hughes (around same time)
mircea_popescu: shockley is perhaps the best example of totally nutso master running his harem straight into a wall.
decimation: obviously if Mr. Noyce had stayed in Iowa he would have been an advanced farmer, not the founder of modern semiconductor business
assbot: Robert Noyce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Noyce "In the summer of 1940, at the age of 12, he built a boy-sized aircraft with his brother, which they used to fly from the roof of the Grinnell College stables. "
mircea_popescu: is this the chinese thing ?
assbot: Traitorous eight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins` gets the vague sense that gribs could use a !translate plugin
asciilifeform 'east cost corporations' << had the distinct impression that most of the people here never had to walk the u.s. большая зона
mircea_popescu: but the environment doth not allow specific things.
mircea_popescu: and again, the idea that there's something wrong with the people involved is patent nonsense. kids come from the vilage to town and do better than kids born in town all the time.
decimation: most of them worked in big east coast corporations for several years first, true
mircea_popescu: people who have to come to b-a to start a successful operation don't need just the money, or even the money at all.
asciilifeform: decimation: philo farnsworth invented the raster scan while plowing a field. there's always a weirdo exception.
decimation: well, there's no doubt that they had to come to the city to meet the son of IBM founder to get money to start the operation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably related problem, tho those are usually hunters.
mircea_popescu: but the environment is unconducive.
asciilifeform: '…like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the “newbies” to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum) ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: decimation mind, i'm not arguing the people themselves are broken.
decimation: places like silicon valley were started by rural folk from the midwest, founded fairchild & invented modern transistors and IC's
mircea_popescu: now this may be just fine and dandy "for some applications", but it's not a computer.
mircea_popescu: to put it in the terms of the anonimity as urban/rural dispute article : the rural guy can run software without ever needing a garbage collector, because no program ever covers memory.
mircea_popescu: i think not.
mircea_popescu: think, the rural noob in town has been the lol of the town's margins anywhere anytime, pick a society. coincidence ?
mircea_popescu: it's because they don't get the incentive or the opportunity to use a large swath of the brain.
asciilifeform always supposed that it was because they cannot have proper 'division of labour'
mircea_popescu: this is the reason you broadly cabn't have intelligent rural people : too contemplative, by the nature of what rural means.
mircea_popescu: fuckwit discovering the ancient sources of greek philosophy by hand on his own, two milenina late.
mircea_popescu: one of the worms in question is a shepherd. he says, 1950ish : "con le stelle se puo parlare".
mircea_popescu: he is incredibly popular with the worms, for the obvious reason : a shot at their idea of a better life.
asciilifeform: they merely have access to seemingly-inexhaustible old war spoils
mircea_popescu: meh i can't find where i said it. anyway, in that film, which is predicated on the notion that an urbanite goes in the rural other world (he's a fraudulent film talent scout, cinecita was a big deal in post war italy).
decimation: certainly peasants in pakistan can perform that feat
decimation: I would go with yes, many of them load their own ammo
asciilifeform: decimation: they can machine, weld, assemble own parts from scrap << sure. but can they build so much as a kalash round with own hands, to the required tolerances?
decimation: but they are a minority even in rural areas