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kakobrekla: satisfying log. keep up the good work.
decimation: unfortunately the encoding jokes don't translate on google
decimation: heh yeah it's pretty easy to memorize another alphabet, it's much harder to remember grammar & vocabulary
asciilifeform: as if it were ever the 'hard part'
asciilifeform: for some reason folks who lived in latinate script all their life are obsessed with typography
asciilifeform: not other than superficially.
decimation: asciilifeform: have you studied Greek, since Cyril gave you the same typography?
TheNewDeal: similar to eggnog
asciilifeform: when you borked it, it would display this:
decimation: original hp48 looked like it was styled in east germany: http://www.thimet.de/CalcCollection/Calculators/HP-48GX/HP-48GPlus-M.JPG I loved the clicky "tic-tac" keyboard
asciilifeform: even had microcode bugs that were 'useful'
decimation: heh was that an hp knockoff?
asciilifeform was sometimes allowed to borrow one of these: http://rk86.com/frolov/mk61-5.jpg
decimation: "user RPL" that is
decimation: heh. when I was young I taught myself programming with "user RPN" on HP calculator
asciilifeform: think 'lisp-like forth' or 'forth-like lisp' but that doesn't really cover it.
asciilifeform: 'check out our other installments, such as Balanced Trinary Computing and Electrically Induced REM Sleep.'
asciilifeform: 'this has been a production of Orcish Science for the Human Experimentalist (TM). Hope you enjoyed the show.'
asciilifeform: you must also vent (or burn) the H and the O
asciilifeform: but should be clear to the alert reader that such things cannot be overlooked.
asciilifeform: prominently missing from the napkin sketch is a number of necessaries (means for cooling the electrolyte, scrubbing metal out of it, positioning of the head, etc)
asciilifeform: because it has piss-poor ROI in ordinary industry (unless you're the ussr)
decimation: it is odd that the process you are proposing is very similar to existing precision volume manufacturing yet has no "buy-in" from industry
decimation: well, and silicon die too, more or less
TheNewDeal: I've worked in manufacturing envirorments for a few years now, was quite familiar with that acronym but didn't think you were using it for some reason
asciilifeform: every circuit board you own was created that way.
TheNewDeal: that's what I was thinking...
decimation: so I was going to ask about photo-etching
asciilifeform: alternatively, use a clever electrolyte that is only an electrolyte where illuminated by a laser.
decimation: asciilifeform: to be clear, you want to restrict the contact area of the "working liquid" to keep from ruining the whole sample, right?
asciilifeform: if clever, emplace a magnetic field of the appropriate geometry around the fluid intake/return channels, so it is propelled entirely electrically. if even more clever, emplace a system in the reservoir to re-separate the metal from the electrolyte.
asciilifeform: ^ for the thick
assbot: ECM for the thick - Imgur
decimation: no I'm pretty sure it's a direct quote from the merchant of venice
TheNewDeal: it's just a trilema article written like shakespeare, no?
decimation: TheNewDeal: you mean the Shakespeare play?
assbot: The Most Serene Republic, and its laws. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TheNewDeal: I have only read the first few lines, but what's this one on http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/ ?
asciilifeform: but never made the obvious conclusion.
asciilifeform: the funny thing is - they appear to understand exactly why the naive approach results in a putrid mess instead of the desired cut.
asciilifeform: the moving 'cutter' must be a nozzle where only a small area of liquid contacts the place to be cut.
asciilifeform: these unfortunates, who, one can surmise, don't know russian, neglected the detail that one must pump the electrolyte.
asciilifeform: incidentally, for anyone who actually wants to try electrochemical machining, here is how NOT to do it:
decimation: this is roughly the deal most "managers of stuff" find themselves in: we will pretend you are a normal human as long as you give us stuff
asciilifeform: (summary of paper: monkey is taught to solve a puzzle which unlocks a dispenser of tasty food. is placed in a cage of 'uneducated' monkeys. is then reliably beaten into dispensing the food for the 'bosses.')
TheNewDeal: Quote from Tech Visionary George Glider "satoshi's worth a million bucks!"
decimation: lol. apparently some monkeys recognize the usefulness of the code monkey
decimation: nevertheless, as mircea_popescu points out, business is about growth, and growth is about knowing how to manage stuff
asciilifeform: decimation: trivially true by mere definition.
decimation: managing stuff is always going to be lower status than managing humans, for obvious reasons
assbot: How the Other Half Works: an Adventure in the Low Status of Software Engineers | Michael O. Church
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asciilifeform: ;;google "call in the lab nigger"
asciilifeform: when and where did 'producers' inhabit anywhere but the 'bottom' ?
decimation: it is interesting how the us status hierarchy (bureaucrats on top, producers of things on bottom) has all kinds of distorting effects -- all of which is funded by the distortion of bezzle money
asciilifeform: * 'second tour of duty' in undergrad --- ochem << missing punctuation matters
asciilifeform: decimation: they could have, in principle, decreed two sets of chemistry courses, one for med-muppetry, one for would-be chemists. but this did not happen.
decimation: this is because of the relative high status of a doctor compared to a chemist actually working in a big chemical corporation
asciilifeform did a 'second tour of duty' in undergrad ochem, as adult. and saw this alive.
asciilifeform: with little-to-none attention to principles
asciilifeform: the students are asked to simply memorize the book of, e.g, organic reactions.
asciilifeform: decimation: aside from the unremarkable decay across the board of all things u.s., there is a specific phenomenon at work on chemists. in most u.s. schools, they do not actually teach chemistry. instead, they carry out an eleborate 'hazing ritual' for would-be med school applicants.
decimation: my uncle was a research chemist (retired) at a large chemical firm in rural us. he was always complaining about the low quality of "chemists" who graduate from us schools
asciilifeform: ^ now with english translation!
decimation: TheNewDeal: libertarians are going to claim whatever success they think they are aligned with, for facebook likes.
TheNewDeal: I just don't get why they think it's all about some party
decimation: it's obvious that there's a segment of silicon valley circus that sees bitcoin as a way to exit from usg
assbot: Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - Reason.com
decimation: http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/08/12/tech-visionary-george-gilder-bitcoin-is << not the most articulate, but mildly interesting
decimation: none of which are going to be cheap or simple
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: resources available to an average person of modest means and lukewarm enthusiasm
TheNewDeal: what the hell do you all mean jungle conditions?
decimation: thus negating the low cost benefit
assbot: Making Titanium Cheaper: Hydrogen Sintering
decimation: http://www.materialsviews.com/making-titanium-cheaper-hydrogen-sintering/ "To achieve high density and low oxygen titanium powder is typically sintered in high vacuum."
asciilifeform: but the crystal structure disruption is the bigger deal there.
decimation: re: laser sintering: it seems to me that it is likely that you are going to leave "air bubbles" in the resulting metal, since you are melting piecemeal
asciilifeform: (now that we helpfully pointed out how.)
asciilifeform: but he might etch them.
decimation: but the process of melting and pouring most metals in jungle conditions is not very reliable
decimation: I think titanium falls in that category sometimes too
decimation: to me the obvious use for plastic turd is to make molds for metal pouring
asciilifeform: sintering is only used in 'real life', generally, when there is no other choice (ceramics, and metals that really don't behave well in a mill like tungsten)
TheNewDeal: believing they can accomplish everything with one shitty machine?
asciilifeform: e.g., their only public suggestion thus far for metalwork is laser sintering - cribbed straight from ordinary industry
asciilifeform: the '3d printer' folks are still, by and large, thinking like 'normal' engineers.
Bitcoin1011: Is he involved in other mobile apps in the space for my reference?
asciilifeform: i bring up electrolytic machining to explore a point - that tech meant for 'jungle conditions' is a very different field from what is presently dealt with by 'sane' engineers. ☟︎
decimation: asciilifeform: that's an interesting point
mircea_popescu: but for that matter, so am i, the kids with the apps haven't yet discovered bitcoin pays better.
asciilifeform: an electrolytic mill could, conceivably, know how much metal was actually removed at time 't'
asciilifeform: (even those are often absent from small machines)
asciilifeform: turing-complete << this brings up another interesting observation - none of today's machine tools give the computer any feedback, beyond slide end-stop sensors
TheNewDeal: we draw all the programs out with software called alphacam , our company adds on a toolbar that automatically generates the g-code, then you literally just upload it to the machine and hit go
decimation: asciilifeform: something turing-complete?
TheNewDeal: pauperizable? a monkey could run this machine
asciilifeform: decimation: g-code << it's just simple coordinate motions, with some commands to specify tool changes, splines, etc. what would you have them use?
asciilifeform: try this with an ordinary drill! (without annealing to destroy knife's temper)
asciilifeform: article suggests a useful 'household' application for the demo - poke a hole in a hardened steel knife where the handle fell off, to bolt on new handle.
decimation: asciilifeform: why do all of these machines continue to use "g-code"?