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asciilifeform: i did ( and let's glue it back together for the log, it got sliced )

diana_coman: just for a few, I really don't see how you persist in the idea that it was "logger down" the problem.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:35:55 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y ~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an imp

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i am working from mircea_popescu's verdict strictly.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: what detail, in your eyes important, am i neglecting ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:26:02 mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935558 - re "happily put up", I suppose you have a point if you actually mean that there should be *more danger* and therefore everyone adding more pressure on the weak points, to get them hardened.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:17:15 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935442 << tjhere's a thread re micro/macro economy and a discussion of money in its dual aspect somewhere but i can't take the time to find it for you right nao, leaving for hunedoara castle in about five minutes. we can revisit this in weekend though, ping me.

diana_coman: whaack: worth noting though that this "I can start helping" is (given its history) incorrect and keeping you back; you're better served by stating the naked "I'll ask for help and do what I'm asked to do, today"

whaack: roger that. Before I disappear into the subcastles, I'll mention i'm blogging the differences in Spanish/English pronunciation which other ESLers in the channel may find useful http://ztkfg.com/2019/09/differences-between-english-spanish-phonetics-part-1-differences-in-stops-d-k-t-p/

whaack: nothing directly republic related. i've been reminded by reading the recent logs that i'm in the perpetual ill-start-helping-tomorrow state. i always have an excuse for myself: "i'll be increasing noise, im too unedecuated to do shit, i need to become bilingual/get out of reich first, etc. etc"

diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, for one thing I don't think it's an accurate description of the situation in that...who produced phf, esthlos, framedragger? re esthlos at least I can even say that no, he precisely dropped out of ..production as you put it.

a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 17:47 asciilifeform: whaack: in your position, i'd focus on getting out of reich 1st; can 'book larnin'' 2nd.

whaack: greetings. following the advice of the lords http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914428 and http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-05-17#1914460 i am getting out of the reich and moving back to CR. I'm going there this weekend for a week to secure a lease, then moving there permanently mid October. This time I'm saying my goodbyes to the meatwot and have secured remote employment so I will not have to set foot in the US aga ☝︎

diana_coman: drat, I still got the [][] order wrong, ugh.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:43:20 asciilifeform: trinque: orig. contention, which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935455 - fwiw I don't think anyone contested the quality of the technical work done by phf.

diana_coman: from your paste though, I suspect it's mainly that you missed that part of the README where it says months as NUMBERS.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:53:06 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?

ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-10 06:25:00 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 - your znc2tmsr converter; I made initially the same mistake with mine, here's the thread re standard: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927457

diana_coman: there is always (and still available and I'd like to see it taken by phf, yes) the place in other castles; so I suppose, if one must answer the question, the threshold as I see it atm = reaching to ban from *other* castles.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:40:47 diana_coman: what I can't quite get in all this is why is asciilifeform fighting mircea_popescu's leucocite-qualities so much and at every occasion?

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935440 - I don't think my view on this (specifically for #trilema) has yet enough substance to even warrant the name of "view"; fwiw I'm not even sure that one can define a "threshold" generically, like this.

dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.

dorion: It's not clear to me which is preferable and I would appreciate some direction.

dorion: 2. I modified the build/Makefile and build/Makefile.rotor to build the aarch64 toolchain, bdb and openssl.

dorion: 1. I used the buildroot menuconfig to produce a rotor_buildroot_aarch64_dot_config.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-26 10:17:04 dorion: ty mp_en_viaje I am Robinson Dorion, the someone BingoBoingo mentioned had inquired about the rk. Plan is to sync a trb node there.

dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-26#1925030 << I've managed to make progress on the rockchip trb build, but've not yet succeeded. Presently the status is:

mircea_popescu sings "He was slick but I was slicker, he drew quick but I was quicker and the table stopped his ticker Surly Joe - Yee Haw"

mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y ~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an important pilla

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935442 << tjhere's a thread re micro/macro economy and a discussion of money in its dual aspect somewhere but i can't take the time to find it for you right nao, leaving for hunedoara castle in about five minutes. we can revisit this in weekend though, ping me.

mircea_popescu: here they sat, same #trilema as today, and preened, like these do. nothing came of it, and then one day i showed up and kicked them all out.

lobbes: continue to do great work for the next 10 years for all we know. (I hope he does for that matter)

lobbes: there's been plenty of people in my meatlife who I like a great deal; enjoy their company. But I also wouldn't trust them with xyz. The WoT is individual to individual for a reason. One person may be able to answer questions better about another than another. The tendons between mp and phf weakened, but this ain't a republic of one after all. Phf could resurface in asciilifeform's castle tomorrow and

trinque: it's what I hear in the admonitions about blogging, ftr.

trinque: but I don't know if my point is coming across.

asciilifeform: but i aint about to nod to 'x was always trotskyist, we were mistaken from day 1 to involve him' logic.

asciilifeform: if i knew why some folx are good for a year, others -- 2, 3, etc. i promised, would say.

trinque: I mean, it's empire-shaped thinking to say mircea_popescu should consult with you and whomever else on who he likes.

asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw i suspect they 'ran' to bottle, rather than 'to empire'.

asciilifeform: trinque: for my part, i remember'em as folx who did 1st class work, of the kind i suspect nobody born after '90 is able to do, full stop. but then ran outta steam. (why, i do not know.)

trinque: if republic doesn't mean "fuck you, I'll tell you who my friends are" in all directions, wtf, lets skip right back to empire?

asciilifeform: trinque: and also ftr i have nfi where Framedragger, esthlos, went.

asciilifeform: trinque: ftr i don't even know what did phf in. (it wasn't the ski mishap, obv. but some chronic degeneration)

trinque: I quite like phf ftr, on the basis of history, but I don't think that's the point

asciilifeform: trinque: orig. contention, which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week

lobbes: However, I think my irssi logs are using a different format than yours, because I am observing some http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=8ydO

lobbes: I'm trying to perform a "full sweep" test on my end of the znc2tmsr, irssi2tsmr, and the raw-dump to make sure that they ALL conform to the standard (which I understand is NO ";" after the nick on an action line)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:40:47 diana_coman: what I can't quite get in all this is why is asciilifeform fighting mircea_popescu's leucocite-qualities so much and at every occasion?

trinque: as of now, I've retired ben_vulpes' paster in favor of my own.

BingoBoingo: During the whole hostel stay I don't think I ever saw even the pickiest kiwi substantially distinguish what the smoked beyond relative strength at the extremes. Or visual appearance.

mircea_popescu: actually, i suppose the correct example is "wine snob". yes, anyoen can tell ok wine from piss ; yes particularly talented fellows can actually tell you a lot from a sip. but the vast bulk of neglected aging "careerwomen" getting plastered pretentiously each weekend -- they couldn't tell a pinot from another if poured into milkbottoles first.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i expected answer 'as audiophiles(tm)' but sure

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 13:53:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.

BingoBoingo: All of the pretense to the contrary is exactly that, pretense. I met n>1 fellows down here trying to "bring California quality" to Uruguay. They all pay the bills with jobs tied to the local economy. Their revenues, as best as I can tell, are in the same league as roadside vegetable stands in the middle of nowhere that use an "honor box" as their payment processor. There is probably more money to be had in wool than weed.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.

asciilifeform: lobbes: when you have the correct (i.e. both ends) vpatch for this, i'ma test & stand up on my end asap, so 'log-raw' sync worx properly.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:37:30 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?

spyked: achtung: I'm doing some maintenance/cleanup work on feedbot as a prelude to upcoming vpatch(es). the bot might go down a coupla times in the meanwhile, but shouldn't lose any feeds

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 20:13:44 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 - your znc2tmsr converter; I made initially the same mistake with mine, here's the thread re standard: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927457

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 20:14:25 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935281 << bvt, would you be able to produce the vpatch? I would, but a) my knowledge of tcp stack / kernels / etc. is pretty much nil and b) I'm gearing up to focus 100% on mircea_popescu's latest mp-wp bot ask if I end up winning this auction.

bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935294 << i'll have a look into this problem. this month i'm a bit tight on time for republican work, and already have work in schedule, so i can't promise any deadline, unfortunately.

lobbes: ha, I didn't even think of that. Those stores are probably the first stop for many aspiring to that industry huh

lobbes: I'll leave this question for tomorrow night. I can pick it back up then

lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?

lobbes: alright, I've solved the "action line weirdness mystery". The following paste displays two action lines from different sources: one from the output of the znc2tsmr logconverter, and one from the output of the "raw log" dump: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=k0qz

BingoBoingo: lol, I expect to see more of these sorts of stories. Especially out of Illinois in the future.

lobbes: those pothead portuguese are at it again I see

lobbes: I recently had to eat #t lines where index > 1933778 in order to sync, and sure enough here's query where > 1933778 vs < 1933778

lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935134 << interesting. Looks like it is incorrect in the database itself. So something is either happening on bot snarf side, or on import of dumps side. In any case, bot will be offline for a second while I bring it up in a test channel

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 17:22:25 asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 17:05:07 bvt: asciilifeform: i think closing would necessary (not done right now, as i can see); re proggy - nothing complicated http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4XUj (merged two for convenience, so fd num will be different)

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935281 << bvt, would you be able to produce the vpatch? I would, but a) my knowledge of tcp stack / kernels / etc. is pretty much nil and b) I'm gearing up to focus 100% on mircea_popescu's latest mp-wp bot ask if I end up winning this auction.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:01:15 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935114 << the "bene" is exactly how you'd think. The "vides" is actually "veedees". I usually tell people it 'rhymes with "diabetes"'

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:03:33 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935170 - heh, so my reading of it was actually right (latin-based since I couldn't think of any valid English-based reading of it).

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)

lobbes: ty for answering my Q's; and I've responded

asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v

bvt: asciilifeform: i think closing would necessary (not done right now, as i can see); re proggy - nothing complicated http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4XUj (merged two for convenience, so fd num will be different)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if the tcp stack per se is retarded in this way, i expect it is also in cobol , fortran, etc, how not.

asciilifeform: as i currently understand, if one were to 1) SO_REUSEADDR + 2) force it closed before attempting any connect -- oughta cure

asciilifeform: bvt: i still do not know whether socket 'was not closed, but wedged' somehow (in which case proggy oughta be made such as to find out, and close asap) or in fact closed but on acct of the idjit zombie-by-default thing, not reusable

bvt: asciilifeform: re SO_REUSEADDR - i don't see how it is applicable: as i understand errno 106=EISCONN the kernel believes that the socket is still connected (perhaps socket.timeout case in send()?); so if you proceed to connect without closing it, you'd get double connect on the same socket; and SO_REUSEADDR does not protect against this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Zd3l

asciilifeform: diana_coman: admittedly asciilifeform is not any kind of star pedagogue. but from own schooling, i found much moar memorable the lessons where 'and this is btw is also the tamper equation in hbomb!' than 'you Need To ... for exam!'

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i actually dun know when/how precisely the fella tuned in. but will hazard a guess that it was because he had spark of 'hmm, these folx have working gears'. so i suspect best result with him might be to pour some kerosene on that fire. 'motivation from interest' is 9000x bigger fire than 'motivation from needs-to'.

diana_coman: eh, he needs to start chewing, not like there isn't *what*; but yes, I see what you mean.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i generally dun like to 'bring own vows to other's monastery' but wanted to try giving the fella sumthing to chew on. possibly is good idea .

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 13:53:35 asciilifeform: shrysr: i wrote it, and am willing to answer whatever q re how it worx

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935258 - thank you! not at all a bad thing to have happening while I'm away, lol.