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Framedragger: so you're saying that this was purely incentive based thing, no external environment info
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hmm; but you did supply her with some "aesthetics" feedback, maybe even a floating point value, as in, "better/worse than before", perhaps
Framedragger: girl internalizes environment which may include the beater who is giving her feedback, no?
Framedragger: surely said girl engaged in some kind of feedback process with the environment, internalizing some model which fits reality; so not wholly contained?
Framedragger: is that related to this currently discussed notion of "insisting on hard non-failing truth == unrealistic autism" (with which i agree)?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: do you mean Dolly the cloned sheep? i've heard of it, but only just
Framedragger: (e.g. i agree with chomsky's "There is a notion of success ... which I think is novel in the history of science. It interprets success as approximating unanalyzed data." which does indeed suck.)
☟︎ Framedragger: ..prolly easier to wait for generic a.i. and then just have it mesh with brainz, heh.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: so i've heard! never approached it, sadly / to my detriment
Framedragger: 1. all turtles are green. 2. bob is a turtle. 3. bob is red. => spit out contradiction / choice of rejecting one of these. if additional premises are made which connect to the former ones, then decide which to reject quantitatively, or something.
Framedragger: ..some kind of generic knowledge tree processing thing / semantic systems. someone must have made a small stab at this.. i mean there are natural language processing toolkits which build up context and work beyond straightforward syntax.. i don't know how well they are doing
Framedragger: the case with rsa keys - it would be very difficult to write it up / interpret it as per your idea though, i think? unless the case was explicitly declared before, and that would break the whole idea (negative meaning, not (only) positive/exhaustive meaning)
Framedragger: yeah that's a different point, sure, and a good one it seems
Framedragger: asciilifeform: tackling godel's two theorems is another kind/level of undertaking, prolly...
Framedragger: asciilifeform: not necessarily from godel! some kind of diagonalization may be reconstructed, i'm sure/heard. but being able to handle some classes or problems is interesting in itself.
Framedragger: (what's nice with these paraconsistent systems is that they may not crumble down when encountering some or other kind of logical paradox.) </weird-rant>
Framedragger: ^ maybe not even related that much, just intersting
Framedragger: values, but the imaginary terms get eventually nulled before the final solution.
Framedragger: (in paraconsistent systems, they try to "contain" cases when `p && ~p`. normally by principle of explosion you can prove anything (`1. p. 2. p || q [from 1, disjunctive addition.] 3. ~p [given.] 4. q [from 2. and 3.]`). these systems remove one or another inference rule (e.g. that p || q may follow from p, or double negation, or something else), or *suspend* it, in the fashion that some equations may have complex numbers as intermediary
Framedragger: alsoalso, graham priest's paraconsistent logic is an interesting thing.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487950 << for a brief spell only? i think there now may exist some inference systems which work on floating point / probabilistic truth-values? weasel words, would need to check, but wouldn't have thought it to have been a "brief spell" only?
☝︎ Framedragger: now i know that some things should be taken in jest, metaphorically, generically, etc. still, i say "lol".
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487858 << this i agree with! however, be it as it may i've never seen mp graciously accept to being wrong on some point. now, that *may* be because mp isn't wrong a whole lotta times, i contend, yes; but it's still hilarious to me (in a stimulating kind of way, fwiw). e.g. the chinese konspiraci thing, it was posted on qntra by mircea_popescu, and then later mircea_popescu says the theory is legit becau
☝︎ Framedragger: from what i recall IPCC is ripe with corruption
Framedragger: yeahyeah the whole weather modelling in the future based on specific chosen parameters and models is hilarious, and gets regurgitated by media etc, i too have general aversion to this; does not mean that all of it is useless but hell if they don't show how they got there then that's even more ridiculous
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: heh can't find much on the internets for "golf club pattern" indeed, but also don't get its initial idea/appeal? O.O
Framedragger: i suppose this is "fuck you am dragon" territory?
Framedragger: article literally starts with quote "Two-Spirit people balance society, the world, and the cosmos."
Framedragger: ""My own work differentiates the mere intersection of Native and queer representations from a two-spirit gaze by noting a two-spirit gaze’s greater focus on traditionalist, nationalist, and activist representations of community-identified two-spirit images.7 Given a critical mass in two-spirit Navajo film and the strength of Navajo cultural, feminist, and gender activism, this article foregrounds Navajo LGBTQ2 gazes on two-spirit Navaj
Framedragger: the navajo gaze seems to originate at least in part from an article called something like the navajo spirit gaze
Framedragger: wikipedia mentions "navajo spirit" something something in connection with that acronym?!
Framedragger: "LGBTQ2 refers to people who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer/questioning or two-spirited."
Framedragger: i just wanted to quote this exact sentence lol - yeah another fruity area
Framedragger: would still be curious to write/find a tool which detects low hanging fruit for EC ssh host keys / keys with shitty parameters
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: if you mean "nobody smart", then that's one thing, but if you mean in terms of actual numbers, then i'd probably have to disagree. shitloads of ecdsa ssh host public keys anyway (stats and breakdown to be published at some point in teh future)
Framedragger: "After realising I have a public key database of most users on GitHub, I remembered back to the May 2008 Debian OpenSSH bug, where the randomness source was compromised to the point where the system could only generate one of 32k keys in a set. I used g0tmi1k’s set of keys to compare against what I had in my database, and found a very large amount of users who are still using vulnerable keys, and even worse, have commit access to some
Framedragger: this also means that potentially a large amount of vulnerable/shit keys have been removed from github since then
Framedragger: all essentials covered and well delivered, heh
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: that's a great brexit writeup, well done :D
Framedragger: asciilifeform: haven't heard but from looking and inferring you meant it's shit, i respond that it's still funny to me!
Framedragger: i was just made aware of this term; i wonder if this may help me to conceptualize mircea_popescu in my mind