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gabriel_laddel: I use strings all the time, don't use regexes
gabriel_laddel: wtf is this. lisp doesn't have strings?
gabriel_laddel: I wouldn't dare draw that equivalence without agreeing on a formal definition for regexes and the process in question.
mircea_popescu: take the simple fact that erycridine lactate induces abortion in any trimester, and without exception. if this isn't a regex gone wrong, what is ?
gabriel_laddel: It doesn't run on "perl" "perl" is a well specified computer program. Meat runs another separate well specified meat program.
mircea_popescu: and mind you, at issue is not whether we do or don't understand how reproduction works.
gabriel_laddel: it isn't necessary.
gabriel_laddel: This conversation bothers me. We don't understand how to make dragonflies, nor how the reproductive system works. We know how to write computer programs that work - the failing to do the latter correctly is a human failing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, idea is that some people who can't even make dragonfly are in a weak position to teach grandmother to suck eggs, as it were.
gabriel_laddel: we know how to write computer programs such that you don't need regexes.
mircea_popescu: humans don't enter into it, at that level.
gabriel_laddel: yeah, I don't see the analogy to perl
asciilifeform: but that isn't negating the 'perliness' of the basic apparatus, no ?
asciilifeform: ea how far into the process you got or how much of an incomplete task was actually performed. in my view, serious programmers don't deal with tools that _force_ them to hope everything works.' -- herr naggum who else
asciilifeform: 'certain languages support serious programmers, and others don't. e.g., I don't think it is at all possible to become a serious programmer using Visual Basic or Perl. if you think hard about what Perl code will do on the borders of the known input space, your head will explode. if you write Perl code to handle input problems gracefully, your programs will become gargantuan: the normal failure mode is to terminate with no id ☟︎
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel perhaps you don't appreciate how deep perl goes, or how unaware perl-people are of their perl-ness.
asciilifeform: (will note, for completeness, that this won't fly on, e.g., embedded chip with 32kB. but most of the usual suspects aren't stuck on one such)
gabriel_laddel: About this "don't feed raw data into your app" and "filtering" nonsense - if you're using a language that isn't complete shit you never need to "filter data" (just communicate in sexprs and (let* ((*read-eval* nil)) ...))
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 22:28:04; Naphex: anyway, what i was saying is you take steps 'secure' or tape your stuff always, and you don't feed raw data to your apps if you can filter the input beforehand.
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 22:14:03; asciilifeform: Naphex: if you're interested in my concept in particular, see article 'don't blame the mice.'
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ shows the lot but i suppose you don't like html cruft ?
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 21:56:01; Naphex: trinque: gentoo doesn't even have iptables defaulted, so as soon as his done he'll end up recompiling
Naphex: well ain't that security?
trinque: Naphex: certainly, if one doesn't tape the raft's holes, he'll drown
williamdunne: I just spent 30 minutes trying to work out why the hell my DB connection wasn't working. I was editing the wrong fucking config file.
trinque: Naphex: regarding earlier thread, things such as parsing inputs, putting sensitive data on networks that don't knock knees directly with the web, all great stuff
trinque: what is this obsession with making things safe, as though you don't still die in agony at the end?
menahem: some things need the luv, or they deteriorate. much like buildings, roads, etc. much won't sustain without the maintenance.
pete_dushenski: menahem just something to edit out. blogs aren't chiseled in stone y'know ;)
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell menahem re: http://chedr.ca/2015/04/your-emotions-are-irrelevant-and-youve-missed-the-point/ << 1. dunno why i didn't see the trackbacks from this... 2. kinda hard to read with all the >>>>s 3. a blogger is you!
williamdunne: It won't cover all of history though, most of the RSS feeds only cover 5-10 posts each ☟︎
Naphex: see i don't have to care
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell peterl if you're alive, http://bablogs.btcscoop.com isn't talking to cascadianhacker.
decimation: unfortunately no floating point unit, but that isn't needed for the target market here ☟︎
decimation: one of the few 'open-cores' that isn't vaporware
decimation: yeah but you can't go to dell,hp, and order a crate of arm boxes (to my knowledge)
asciilifeform: decimation: kakobrekla linked to a farm which takes orders even now, but i don't have the url handy
decimation: but I haven't seen it become mainstream
ben_vulpes: usually i bolt them on directly, but i'm a barbarian and haven't actually derped much with physical servers.
Naphex: and i wasn't advocating it
asciilifeform: Naphex: ... I ain't one to duke it out on irc for random bullshit << spewing garbage, on the other hand, is perfectly fine ?
Naphex: anyway. words ain't much to me and I ain't one to duke it out on irc for random bullshit
Naphex: anyway, what i was saying is you take steps 'secure' or tape your stuff always, and you don't feed raw data to your apps if you can filter the input beforehand. ☟︎
trinque: (notwithstanding that I don't see how ipsec protects some JRE app)
williamdunne: Naphex: Isn't the general idea that you use end-to-end encryption not hub and spoke encryption
Naphex: so people don't snoop on it. maybe its private
trinque: "I don't want to read that much; can you tweet me about secure?"
asciilifeform: Naphex: if you're interested in my concept in particular, see article 'don't blame the mice.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: gotta love this ritualistic 'secure' that doesn't entail actually understanding anything
asciilifeform: but to get back to original thread, i wasn't even specifically thinking of 0days in the jre itself, but the overall turdification and prevention of fits-in-head that java inescapably leads to.
Naphex: asciilifeform: there won't be any 0days in the basic stuff. There are rarely buffers in the stack. And everything is accounted for. NIO/events/the threads etc are all safe and you don't give raw user input to them
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 18:22:57; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110187 << you know how the literary criticism goes, "don't tell, show". you've not really shown.
trinque: Naphex: eh? stage 3 doesn't give you a kernel
Naphex: trinque: gentoo doesn't even have iptables defaulted, so as soon as his done he'll end up recompiling ☟︎
Naphex: mod6: i'd just do the chroot thing and getting it done. doing a custom kernel won't help you much running in a hypervisor
trinque: so you don't mrproper yourself out of a config
trinque: not that I don't own many of them
williamdunne: trinque: Wouldn't that be the same as any DC that offers cheap metal?
mod6: i don't even see the paravirtualized guest support option
trinque: shit isn't it?
trinque: no-multilib is probably fine if you don't intend to use any 32bit things
mod6: alright. pretend i don't know what any of that means.
williamdunne: While comparisons between bitcoin and a party fully of popped-collars are fine it doesn't really answer the question
williamdunne: I guess what missing from it is that I still don't see why the increase in block-size, or easier access to running a semi-node is inherently bad
assbot: Venture Backing isn't enough if no-one wants your product — Lego Under the Giant's Feet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBv81B )
mircea_popescu: (what i mean is, you don't get the option ot have some here and none there. if you have some, it's everywhere)
ben_vulpes: i can't believe that i felt compelled to write it all out.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for davout from 2 to 3 with note: you wouldn't believe how this man makes the girlies eyes twinkle.
ben_vulpes: !rate davout 3 you wouldn't believe how this man makes the girlies eyes twinkle.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "and the Bitcoin ramp to 1200 proved to be an artifact of a fractional-reserve exchange, for just two examples." << this doesn't make sense, because the exchange was fractional in btc not in fiat.
williamdunne: I've already been blocked from Max Keisers twitter, seems like I should be proud of it - I don't even remember sending a tweet to him
mircea_popescu: i don't blame the fire for the fire.
mircea_popescu: i don't feel bad for this sort of "decent guy".
mircea_popescu: that muppet... i have no idea how he and his gf/announcer aren't in jail over the auroracoin scam
mircea_popescu: dude, don't ask me.
mircea_popescu: was funny too, the derps were like "HE DOESN:T HAS TEH SKILLSss!11!1"
williamdunne: They haven't patched it yet?
mircea_popescu: those aren't the costs.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Surely a lot of the costs can be massively reduced now? Wasn't exactly much automation in the 15th century
mircea_popescu: in any case the actual costs to running a bank aren't in getting the certificate. you gotta have the damned bank.
williamdunne: But who doesn't
trinque: but yeah, I don't expect to live this way forever
williamdunne: Well if you believe the numbers, the volume is pretty huge. I believe it probably is still pretty big but wouldn't trust a bitcent on them (unlike MPOE of course)
mircea_popescu: and diversified enough that the arabs can-t quite outright kill him. (tho they're trying). i tell you this is a fun thing toi watch, for me.
mod6: I'm probably just dumb. How can I setup an instance with a clean stage3. All I see that are available are AMI's. And I'm worried that they've got things/tools pre-installed that I don't want to have in there. This instance will be a build/testing server for R.I. development.
mircea_popescu: the price differential won't likely even cover cost of insurance for that bomb, let alone its capital amortisation
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Still working to get Atom support working, wasn't working with the small change
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110187 << you know how the literary criticism goes, "don't tell, show". you've not really shown. ☝︎☟︎
williamdunne: Current code doesn't support Atom but I can modify it.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So what are these Pogos? I had a look for them but I found some cloud backup company who didn't even advertise a pogo plug as far as I could see
mircea_popescu: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=4271 << other people playing with their pogos.
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Your xml doesn't agree with scoop
williamdunne: Your www doesn't point anywhere
williamdunne: Firefox can't find the server at www.cascadianhacker.com.
Naphex: williamdunne: well, you can't have dup data so you need a unique field. Price will have duplicated data :P
williamdunne: Yeah, although don't have to deal with price-time in this case
Naphex: as long as you don't have duplicated data ( and you shouldn't)
williamdunne: Doesn't particularly help that I have only 100mb of free mem currently
Naphex: don't trash the mem :P
Naphex: williamdunne: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/Collections.html#binarySearch-java.util.List-T-java.util.Comparator- will make it pretty easy.