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decimation: yeah, I agree. for me, it's motivating when I see how shitty its output looks, and it makes me want
to
translate more
decimation: Sounds legit. kinda like
the existence of google
translate is given as a reason not
to learn another language
decimation: asciilifeform: because better compiler = more people
thinking
they don't have
to understand what
the machine is doing?
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 03:30:44; asciilifeform:
the wider
the conceptual gap between what programmer sees, and what machine physically does -
the more room for
turdage - whether of
the constructed or accidental kind.
decimation: "The existence of LLVM is a
terrible setback for our community precisely because it is not copylefted and can be used as
the basis for nonfree compilers — so
that all contribution
to LLVM directly helps proprietary software as much as it helps us.'"
☟︎ decimation: people just copy & paste
the whole
thing with GPL
to all platforms
decimation: supposedly gcc was made intentionally obscure so
that stallman can use it as a crowbar
mircea_popescu: i was (in retrospect, mistakenly)
taking an "observable" approach
to "same
thing"
mircea_popescu: (the point being not
to win, but like in any koan,
to contemplate what
the win means)
mircea_popescu: this can be a decent graduate exercise. "write
the longest asm program
that does
the same
thing on all platforms. you may pick what it does yourself."
decimation: asciilifeform: I
thought apple was
trying
to get on board with LLVM
decimation: indeed, one must
then blindly
trust
the logic designer and chip maker
decimation: because
the code wasn't machine code or MIX...
mircea_popescu: justusranvier "code is
the spec" means "the compiler we use is
the spec"
too.
justusranvier: Speaking of specs, davec found parts of bitcoind script validation
that involved behavior undefined by
the C++ spec, meaning it's
theoritically possible
to compile it with a non-gcc compiler and get
two bitcoinds
that will fork on a carefully-crafted
transactions.
mircea_popescu: which is why i
took exception
to
the "why cant we all get along" derpage from midnightmagic yest.
mircea_popescu: forcing specification
through mutually disjunct implementations is
the best we get.
mircea_popescu: what are
they going
to do, write out a spec
then have
the bitcoind horde pretend "it fails" ?
decimation: asciilifeform: why not focus on producing a readable RFC first is
the question..
justusranvier: Oh
that? Of course I can see how it's funny.
The pathetic part is how people lie about what happened.
mircea_popescu: can you see why reorging some new guy's block out of
this world is funny ?
justusranvier: So some companies, including mining pools, are interested in running btcd. For some reason, said companies sometimes ask
the Bitcoin Core
team for advice before doing so. FUD ensues.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier lol
they can't compete on fud,
this is a long established point.
justusranvier: It's just pathetic
to watch
the Bitcoin Core
team and/or
their fanboys compete on FUD when
they can't compete on code quality
justusranvier: But
they know
their block wasn't bad because
they submitted it
to a local, isolated bitcoind before
they broadcast it
to
the network
mircea_popescu: the entire
thing is really a meaningless exercise. who
the fuck cares what happens on
testnet.
justusranvier: Because
they didn't save it, and
the blockexplorer site doesn't save orphan chains
justusranvier: We don't know exactly at what height
their block was originally mined
justusranvier: All we know is
they had
the capability
to do so, and
they just so happened
to reorg out of existance btcd's first ever mined block, and just so happened
to start doing it after
they publicly announced having done so.
kanzure: seems like
they would have an easier
time using regtest
kanzure: why would someone bother doing
that on
testnet?
mircea_popescu: (only artificial orcs exist. mp knows, for mp has lived all over
the world. actual poor people are more pleasant
than actual civilised people)
justusranvier: A few hours after dhill
tweeted btcd's first ever mined
testnet block, somebody showed up with enough hashing power
to find 100 blocks/hour and started conducting history rewriting attacks
decimation: you gotta admit
the pure chutzpah of
trying
to buy beer with 'school supply' donations
mircea_popescu: "Not
these chirrin, my older chirrin!
They needs
these for
they lunches!"
decimation: "
The oldest of
the boys, about 12ish, menaced her, got in her face and said, "Fuck you, bitch! You owe us!", while momma smirked in approval. "
assbot: Block 222996 -
TEST Bitcoin Block Explorer
mircea_popescu: She wasn't
talking
to me, but I could hear her saying, "It wasn't supposed
to be like
this,
they're so ugly, it's just so wrong." << woman met
the orcs, hasn't even been raped yet.
decimation: fallout.
They have no concept of reality, and sadly, most of us know
them personally. "
assbot: The Lonely Libertarian:
The other entitlement class
decimation: hehe yeah
the other link at
the bottom is good
too:
http://hopelesslysane.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-other-entitlement-class.html "We have millions of
these privileged entitlement folks.
They are
the ones populating
the Ivy League schools preparing for
their rise
to power over
the nation.
They have never worked a real job, never produced anything, never been allowed
to fall on
their faces, never been allowed
to fail and deal with
the
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu and its not
the bots one wants
to filter - its lines starting with '!s' and assbots replies 'x results for ..'
mircea_popescu: libertarian is lonely
through his own fault. shoulda made a wot.
decimation: "Then
the whole RoseArt versus Crayola battle.
The kids at
the Salvation Army fair got RoseArt, almost half
the cost of Crayola, and
that's what
the vouchers covered. But
the RoseArt supplies were hardly
touched and
the Crayola was wiped out. At
the registers,
the fights started over, "My kids don't want none of
that RoseArt shit, are you saying
they ain't good enough for
the good stuff? Only white kids get
the good stuff?""
mircea_popescu: mthreat how did
the exclusion clauses work in search agai ?
mircea_popescu: but for
the average noob, history | grep history yields a lot of... "history | grep history"
mircea_popescu: it does convey
the information
that
the
thing was searched later, and you can exclude bots if you wish.
decimation: that's like grepping ps
to find... your grep of ps
kakobrekla: the problem with
this search is - now
there will be 18 results
mircea_popescu: most call girls can push it past 40ish if
they want
to
decimation: asciilifeform: most 'public' schools in
the us require
the same, always a source of amusement for
the young ones
mircea_popescu: most uni profs fail
to get
their
tenure in
their late 30s
kanzure: the
textbook industry spends about $3B/year on marketing- but have you ever seen an ad for a
textbook?
chetty: <mircea_popescu>
the average call girl makes a lot better money
than
the average uni prof.// but much shorter career
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> decimation:
this almost happened when cheap 'xerox' copiers appeared < when i was in high school you could legally copy 70% of
the book .... at once.
decimation: considering scholars 500 years ago would
transcribe
the professor as he lectured, and
then
take
turns reading
the only copy of
the course
text, kids
today have it great
mircea_popescu: the average call girl makes a lot better money
than
the average uni prof.
kanzure: unfortunately it is not yet profitable
to buy
textbooks and resell directly
to pulp recyclers :(
decimation: for undergrad subjects at any rate, you would be a pretty poor professor if you couldn't write your own
text
midnightmagic: It's already a good chunk of
the way
there. Many courses at local universities have entirely virtual course materials and reading lists.
decimation: one wonders with
the ease of finding scans/native
text of a great many published
textbooks - how long until
the college bookstore becomes a
thing of
the past?
assbot: Reading List:
The Man Who Changed Everything (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)
decimation: reading scans on
the computer sucks, but it's useful for searching references
decimation: for mac desktop I've found
that "Devonthink" works well
to search/index pdfs
mircea_popescu: so i see coinroll add on bitbet, click, decide
to
try it out.
MolokoDesk: sometimes
there's something
to be said for equlibrium.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what
the divorce rate would look like if it worked
the other way areound. doing it five
times a week = +1 inch a year.
MolokoDesk: I gotta get back
to
the pacific. Surf's up.
DoctorBTC: the future is like
the cold pacific ocean...
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk your penis ? sorry
to be
the harbringer of sad news, but... it doesn't scale in
the future, it shrinks in
the future.
mircea_popescu: <MolokoDesk> so far I'm not worried about
that. << freud would beg
to differ.