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chalbersma: Mircea. I have the p2pool server ready for testing.
Vexual: wait, was i supposed to think that? oshit
decimation: asciilifeform: re: analogue computing << this is essentially what rf circuitry is doing. the general fad these days is to move all of this computation to the conventional binary machinery
Vexual: think peter fonda deciding to get loaded
Vexual: mircea_popescu great dissection of some great writing, i would think tho, that the our in our happiness refers not to the individual, but the collective man as a beast
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller wait is this new ? or just the feb thing ?
jurov: me too
mircea_popescu: me too o.O
asciilifeform when went to school they still made us remember the breakage cases in various float representations extant
mircea_popescu: i don't need everyone to be an idiot, i just need a few to make my case.
asciilifeform: and actually represent, e.g, 1/3 as a 1, a /, and a 3; sqrt(2) as a root and a two of it, etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually plenty of folks use 'rational arithmetic' systems that don't touch the ieee/flop cpu circuits
mircea_popescu: error is never going to stop anything.
mircea_popescu: and for all the error-fiends : you can't correctly represent decimal numbers in computers today, it doesn't stop anyone from derping on the pretense computers are ideal machines.
mircea_popescu: jurov perhaps more a "Can shit we need done be phrased such that wetware can do it better than the turing machine"
asciilifeform is actually rather fond of analogue computing as a concept, and as it once existed, but has yet to meet a 'meatware' proposal that isn't transparently grantsmanship.
kakobrekla: i mean the read off
kakobrekla: thats why they go the ibm synapse cpu way
asciilifeform: jurov: turing's apparatus is not even a particularly good abstraction for electric computer. much less 'wet' kind.
jurov: question here was the other way, can wetware do turing stuff effectively?
mircea_popescu: the archetypal "rather than explain your job to you i'd rather just do it"
mircea_popescu: your task being to fold the shit together.
mircea_popescu: the question is more like, suppose i give you piles of C N H O etc molar equivalent to the contents of a live creature,
assbot: Loper OS » How Much Computation Does the Universe Perform?
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=25 << me derping about roughly this, in '08.
asciilifeform: now, getting the answer out in a usable form...
asciilifeform: why even bring this up: the 'answer' - physical structure of properly folded protein - is 'computed' instantly.
asciilifeform: now, think about why (2) costs roughly same as (1).
asciilifeform: (2) gives a result more in line with reality, and so tends to be favoured unless there is something exotic about the system (weird ligand, perverse conditions otherwise, whatever)
asciilifeform: to every n00b's surprise - the cost is roughly similar.
asciilifeform: one - approximate solution of shrodinger's equation for the system of protein-cum-solution
asciilifeform: so, for those who don't know, there are two basic ways of 'folding' a protein (that is, in physical reality it folds, but you want to know its structure)
asciilifeform: you'd probably want to make use of, e.g, luciferase
mircea_popescu: just folding proteins is a massive task.
kakobrekla: reasonable speed for '100000point travelling salesman' problem ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you readily know the volume of "silicone" computation that goes by in the average cell ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good example. but, not only must accept 'close enough', but go and try to get the answer out with reasonable speed.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform correct. only the bubblers are missing.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTM4MTAyNTk1OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwOTA4Njc3._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg << these ?
mircea_popescu: it's a subset of the "first, one nail" approach
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it's a bad habit to state the problem thus.
asciilifeform: how long did the colony live ?
assbot: 11 Photos of Iceland's Bardarbunga Volcano Erupting That Are Just Unreal
asciilifeform: eh, tech was actually happening then.
mircea_popescu: by 1900 they had sewing machines.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know, after the first steam machines were introduced in the 1800s, people saw that horses and oxen are replaced, but believed the intelligent movement of man will remain emulated for a long long time
asciilifeform: '...a secret goal of the Rockefeller family, one of the chief financiers of the plan, to own an apartment overlooking the Kremlin and Red Square...'
kakobrekla: i suspekt wetware is going to stay emulated for a long long time
asciilifeform can hardly think of a less suitable wetware application than btc mining
mircea_popescu: jurov i still think wetware comes before quantum, so there.
ContingencyPlan: thanks for the up - does anyone have a link for getting started with PGP/WoT?
mircea_popescu: lol are they crowdsourcing the answer ?
assbot: BBC News - How do you stop the flow of lava?
mircea_popescu: meh, too lazy.
fluffypony: has everyone changed their password?
fluffypony: this is just begging to be turned into an altcoin
mircea_popescu is picturing kakobrekla sitting on a huge pile of coal, pumping the server furnace as needed
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mircea_popescu: o look at that, gizmodo links images off gawker-media. they're not even worth their own directory :D
mircea_popescu: im saving my money for the apple cockring
chetty: who has order their apple leash ..err watch?
mircea_popescu: even the ipad... they're still making "new models"
kakobrekla: well its not over till its over.
mircea_popescu: shit, bitbet is still online. what sort of scam ddos is this even
mircea_popescu: nice to meet you mr brekla
mircea_popescu: also, that is NOT what a family is for fucks sake. what is this, PREFIX instead of POSTFIX alternative universe ?
mircea_popescu: dub how's the climate fraud thing looking btw ?
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha epic. "if only we knew what we need to lie about in the future, we could have made pesudomath that did it back when"
mircea_popescu: 51) If our models could time-travel back in time, “we could have forecast ‘the pause’ – if we had the tools of the future back then” [NCAR press release]
mircea_popescu: and it only cost like twenny bux, too.
mircea_popescu: anyway, since we're on this, let the permanent record reflect that i've bought up all the prime skyn avaialble at buenos aires' largest sex shop (called the buttman).
assbot: List of excuses for ‘The Pause’ in global warming | Watts Up With That?
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mircea_popescu: ;;google i can take about an hour on the tower of power as long as i gets myself sum golden shower
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: That does fit better with the theme of giving you free wifi but no power
mircea_popescu: justusranvier i always thought they meant that in the sense of butt piracy
justusranvier: Philedelphia: The city of brotherly love. (note: brotherly love does not include accessible electrical outlets in the airport)
kakobrekla: blocking at the lowest level that _i_ can
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what'd ou do to it ?
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ben_vulpes: i have better things to do
fluffypony: it's irritating and pathetic, but welcome to 2014
fluffypony: yeah true
mircea_popescu: looky : pre webz, every ghetto block corner had its "gang" with "leaders" which "the girls" (all 0.7 of them) "worshipped". now we get to hear about it is all
fluffypony: and the forum *worships* them
mircea_popescu: the internets will have them all. the dumb, the poor, the hungry. it's america.
fluffypony: so they become altcoin "developers"
fluffypony: but they can code...a little
fluffypony: they can't see things through to a finish, so they fail at life
fluffypony: there are a great deal of "developers" in the altcoin section that have *failed* at holding a job IRL
fluffypony: you know what I find that's REALLY interesting
fluffypony: then they become "developers" from kahn academy
mircea_popescu: hey, not the kids fault that their parents dump them on the internet for an education
fluffypony: summary of the Bitcointalk altcoin section
mircea_popescu: it's the new 2weeks
mircea_popescu: nobody has anything better to do, that's how we're all here :D
fluffypony: oh jesus don't these people have something better to do
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj i thought fluffypony was also involved.
assbot: Sarah Palin and family reportedly involved in party brawl in Alaska | The Kansas City Star
skinnkavaj: good, people expect transparency for business, but I also see a future in the altcoin market with one altcoin that offers something bitcoin cannot today, anonymity.