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mircea_popescu: this is a nonsensical object on par with
the "foolproof" engineering item.
mircea_popescu: how do you give idiots something
to do
that hides from reality
the fact of
their idiocy ?
decimation: and it's also
true
that in
the modern west,
the welfare class enslaves itself
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i assume ironic humour, rather
than any attempt
to negate oneself ;)
decimation: moriarty: it's
true
that such a scheme would be unworkable in mass democracy
moriarty: lol
that's
the ancap bit of me speaking perhaps
moriarty: decimation, by
the
time,
that happens, it's a different political party
moriarty: decimation, and so mininum wage or mandated employment will never work except
that politically it's wonderful
moriarty: decimation, long story short, it's back
to square one after awhile
decimation: a slave (unless chained
to
the wall) will always have some power
to rebel
moriarty: decimation, it is an endless regression
to inflation, sticky wages eventually adjusting
themselves, and formerly poor people made wealthy
through minimum income now poor again rendering minimum income ineffetual
xmj: not
too cheap,
they shouldn't be allowed
to save
too much.
xmj: you could feed
them fast food, and keep
them happy with cheap ish beer.
moriarty: decimation, minimum wage or mandatory employment has
the same effect
moriarty: decimation, if you're happy with
the status quo enough
to not riot,
then
that's not enslavement of any sort except
that of your own volition
moriarty: decimation, but you've
taken a ironic stance
there, you can't be enslaved
to
the state and at
the same
time hold
the state hostage with riot
threats
decimation: it doesn't
take much creativity
to imagine ways in which you could employ people such
that
they are neither a burden
to civilized society nor have enough energy
to riot
decimation: which makes
the state a
terrible master
moriarty: it's one of
the pernicious problems of mob rule, it converges
to a state
that pleases
the majority, even if
the minority in
this case happens
to be
the ones
that make more
than half of
the GDP and contribute
tax-wise as well
decimation: moriarty: and
the state is more
than happy
to deliver, in exchange for not rioting
moriarty: decimation, council houses are a response
to voters clamouring for welfare
moriarty: mircea_popescu, it's
the quintessential Veblen goods
moriarty: mircea_popescu,
the value in
the set may be so economically, but socially? you attain more value by going for
the unattainable
mircea_popescu: this dovetails neatly with your expectation
that you have
to spend bitdimes
to be in
the wot.
xmj: those who want
to sit in front of a
TV all day long instead of doing something might just be better off
that way.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, you have
to appeal
to
their emotional side :) and
the flip side of
that is, you don't even have
to spend a dime
mircea_popescu: no. what becomes plain as day is how
to interact with
the few women nobody can be bothered with, and how
to miss out on
the value in
the set.
xmj: nah man,
that's not how it works, and it s not
the reverse either
moriarty: mircea_popescu, buying
them items in hopes
to get in
their pants would not be very successful, as xmj attested
xmj: couch-sitters? slaves
to
the states?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, all i'm saying is, once you understand women
to be a bag of emotions, rather
than logical creatures,
their motivations, what it
takes
to motivate
them, becomes plain as day
mircea_popescu: the whole
theory is broken.
there's no "other plane", and
there's no "women" as a one
thing.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, you give a little
to get a whole lot more :)
decimation: lol, does anyone ask
them before
they decide something?
bounce: you don't like grass? so you're not a cow
then.
moriarty: decimation, well, unfortunately as someone who is partial
to
the ancap way of looking at
things, i don't identify with
the reframing of couch-sitters as slaves of
the state, i see
them as enslaving
the state
though
mircea_popescu: it's incredible how broken other irc channels seem
to me. "where's
the logs ?" "we don't have logs because reasons and we're primitive idiots" "so i guess i don't even need
to ask about gribble or wot
then huh."
assbot: Pics/Info: Inside
the battery pack
moriarty: xmj,
there is
truth
to
that, but my motivation is more societal status
too :)
xmj: moriarty: you run on
testosterone and adrenaline and dopamin and whatever.
moriarty: xmj, drama is one way
to get into a woman's pants
assbot: NSFW - Mosu’ cu joarda pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
moriarty: they
thrive on what
thrills
them
decimation: what is a council-house full of couch-sitters other
than slaves of
the state? with
the state being a worthless master?
moriarty: xmj, because, pure and simple,
they are not logical creatures
xmj: never underestimate
the willingness of women
to stay in bad/unhealthy relationships
moriarty: mircea_popescu, in
the confines of a conventional western society
today
moriarty: xmj, what i mean is
this - females are very articulate in dealmaking, and
there is almost no deal in which
they conduct
themselves, socially or otherwise,
that would leave
them worse off
than before
decimation: moriarty: no you just need
to make a gpg key
xmj: that IS something i've empirically been able
to validate
moriarty: mircea_popescu, lol i would need
to
trade bitcoin in order
to get a wot acct, right?
xmj: that might be
the female response
moriarty: xmj,
that's quintessentially
the female response
to
the common masculine argument of cockteasers; rephrasing it, it's not
that i'm not putting out enough, you're just not good enough
xmj: well, if you're not man (or high value) enough
to MAKE her deliver
xmj: "The problem is
that
the modern woman is a prostitute who doesn't deliver
the goods.
Teasers are never pleasers;
they greedily accept presents
to seal a contract and
then break it."
mircea_popescu: it's not particularly hard, either, just as long as you comprehend
that
the "differnet plane" bs is bs, and
that
there's more variety between different women
than between women and men.
moriarty: i've long given up on
that pursuit, so whenever a woman argues, i just empathise with her and agree with her
xmj: I
totally agree with
this sentence.
moriarty: it's best not
to
try
to understand
them
xmj: What I hate are meaningless and heartless one-night stands where you
tell all sorts of lies
to get into bed with a woman you don't care for.
moriarty: i know, but
that's what
they are :)
moriarty: mircea_popescu, and in not so many words, it's easy
to put yourselves in
the shoes of a woman, if you imagine
them
to be first a man,
take away reason, and accountability
xmj: "The great
thing about sex with whores is
the excitement and variety." yeah, well, you could just
travel and seduce...
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've been
told by a woman
that women exist on a plane different
to men
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i like your
take
moriarty: mircea_popescu, what is your
take on marriage?
xmj: that must be good
that you still remember/care
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Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
moriarty: mircea_popescu,
they have potential, but are limited by
the ability
to realise
those potential, because of
their minority status and not many people defending
them really
xmj: moriarty: yeah
that part is pretty brilliant
moriarty: mircea_popescu, lesswrong is filled with people who have fallen between
the cracks of society
decimation: on
the pain of offending
the almighty future-ai-god, I claim
that he won't exist
moriarty: mircea_popescu, what model is
this?
moriarty: xmj, from
the beta's point of view, sure; from
the elites running society, marriage is a way
to preoccupy
the have-nots so
the haves can sow
their wild oats around while
the working class struggle
to make
themselves marriage-worthy in
the meantime
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: lesswrong
they push
that 'hard-ai' bullshit pretty hard
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron generally people don't know what
the
things
they claim
to want imply.
mircea_popescu: moriarty i have my doubts about
that model, but anyway.
xmj: moriarty:
this is why societies embracing absolute nuclear families do better
than societies
that have extended families / clans -- inter-generational wealth
transfers.
xmj: moriarty: marriage is a way of ensuring betas get laid, it's one of
the more controversial claims
bounce: the problem
there is essentially "random" justice.
that's fairly bad for encouraging people
to pick up better habits.
danielpbarron: most of
the ancaps I encounter seem
to lean more
towards
the socialist side
than
they'd like
to admit -- what with all
their "fairness for all" mantra, as if unrestrained capitalism won't deal a crushing blow
to
the dregs of society
xmj: the church did a good job at reinforcing
the already existing institution of marriage
moriarty: mircea_popescu, well
that's why all politicians are liars, in order
to be a man of
the people, you have
to ascribe
to philosophies you don't
truly believe in
to win
them over, just so you can fuck
them over later on,
to protect your class, your clan and family
bounce: throw in all
the people put in pre-trial jail and
the numbers drop quite a lot