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moriarty: asciilifeform, sure, and
then you get
the philosophical stances behind strong vs weak
typing, how many passes would you like your compilation
to occur, how about parallelism for
that matter, etc
assbot: The irc world is a big but very flat place. pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bounce: so make a new fancy box
that does lisp from
the ground up.
moriarty: the very basics of comparative languages as one of
the electives or course modules in CS will inform anyone
that
the history of language development was in response
to advances in hardware, but at
the same
time, paradigms from ages before still come into play
today at various points in
the hardware spectrum, if no longer on your desktop,
then at least on your mobile devices which are
moriarty: whenever someone makes a comment like last programming language, it's a giveaway sign
they have no formal education in CS
moriarty: that's
the fallacy of homeschooling
moriarty: you can get some sort of clue based on
the amount of money in
the system, and
the flow rate
moriarty: we know we shouldn't do it, but we do it anyway :) and if you can partition
the market into
the emotional plays, and
the bot plays, you can
then expect
to
tailor your response accordingly
moriarty: fear drives
the sells at
the lows
moriarty: greed drives
the buys at
the highs
moriarty: without any
training,
the basic market participant buys at
the high and sells at
the low, despite being cognisant of
the mantra
to
the contrary
moriarty: the constraints of
the market is at its most basic, everybody is driven by greed and fear
moriarty: you may act individually, but your response
to feedback from
the market constraints
that individuality, and as a whole,
the market acts very mechanistically, well, if you can pin it down of course
moriarty: same it is with anything else, even in
the markets
moriarty: they may amble along seemingly individualistic paths but
the feedback arising from interaction with other criss-crossing of paths result in a very predictable wave
moriarty: think crowd behaviour as
they exit a museum
moriarty: individual automatons act in ways
that coherently reinforce into a distinct pattern
moriarty: that's what i did when i
tried
to profit off bitcoin
moriarty: if you have a good perception of what will be
the populist stance,
then you can make a
trading move
to optimise your profits in response
moriarty: it's all about grasping
the mindset of
the mainstream, and
then harvesting
that
to your advantage
moriarty: heh asciilifeform brought up a good point on
trading
though
bounce: hmno. you're mistaking your peers keeping you down with
the humility needed
to climb up by yourself
bounce: lose
the smug arrogance and you know what
to look for
to improve yourself
bounce: apropos earlier point, you need
the idiots
though. how else are you going
to know you're not?
moriarty: asciilifeform, a lot of
the bugs arise
typically not from
the main objectives by
the side-work in getting simple I/O right, etc, a lot of which can really be
templated
moriarty: asciilifeform, i see
the points made
there, make it high level enough
that you don't need
to get bogged down by
the side-work in
the midst of pursuing your main objectives
bounce: to some snazzy beasty boys
tune
xmj: that's arbitrage
to you
daybyter: I want
to create a framework
to build on.
moriarty: daybyter, and of course i assume a full-fledged basic mathematical suite
to support doing whatever i want
to
the model
moriarty: daybyter, i'm
thinking in
terms of interest rates, manufacturing activity, GDP delta, CPI, retail sales, etc
daybyter: I actually never
trading ema crossing, or so.
moriarty: daybyter, interesting, i was
thinking of perhaps less specific but at
the same
time more atomic
than simple moving averages
moriarty: asciilifeform, all
the
things one
takes for granted,
the support from community at large is non-existent in a corporate setting :) so what was
trivial in popular languages had
to be polished up, e.g. good documentation and example codes
moriarty: asciilifeform,
to be fair it was somewhat of an adjustment coming from
the open world of academia and studenthood into proprietary work
moriarty: asciilifeform,
that makes perfect sense
decimation: (he used
the u so you would understand)
assbot: Formal definition of a
trading language
moriarty: daybyter, so what we ended up doing was using proprietary languages
that allow us
to atomically describe market conditions with ease
moriarty: daybyter, unfortunately Lisp or Prolog is not high level enough for financial
trading
daybyter: I
think I could use jscheme,
too.
moriarty: daybyter, yes i have
tried doing so
moriarty: and i must say
that
the beauty of functional languages is
that you get
to attain
that rare accomplishment of writing a bug-free code in
the first round
nubbins`: sweet, fresh OS X install and my keys survived
the round
trip
daybyter: Are you using lisp/prolog for
trading stuff?
moriarty: the simplicity of your code, balanced against
the length of
time it
took you
to write it
moriarty: asciilifeform, sure, Prolog works
the same way
too :)
moriarty: i'm not for Prolog, so it doesn't matter
to me
moriarty: asciilifeform,
this is devolving into an advocacy debate :)
assbot: Loper OS »
The Simplest Lisp Machine
moriarty: Haskell certainly lacks in
that department
though it makes up for it with purity, monads
bounce: what's
the cost of cooking up a chip or
two
these days?
mircea_popescu: so about 1/7000
the recent involvement in
the middle east ?
moriarty: what are
the advantages of lisp over haskell for instance?
mircea_popescu: bounce it is a strange argument on
the face, but perhaps
the idea is such a hard problem can only be conveniently breached at
this angle. much like satellites aren't launched from
tiera del fuego
decimation: (a common model for
technical companies with any defense contracts)
moriarty: asciilifeform, fair enough, still if you've formally undertaken AI as a major,
that's something
mircea_popescu: so
the idea is,
the
tool required (os/stack/machine) has no industrial utility and without convincing
the industry it needs ai
to sponsor
the
thing,
there's never going
to be either ?
assbot: Loper OS » Kalman Reti,
the Last Symbolics Developer, Speaks of Lisp Machines.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems a weak reason
tbh. i mean,
there are good lisp implementations
today, or not ?