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mircea_popescu: if block 322121says it's been mined on 2014-09-23 03:24:19, then that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: which for this purpose means, any other terms.
mircea_popescu: and not disputable on lesser terms
mircea_popescu: once a block is part of the blockchain, its timestamp as declared is part of the history of the world
mircea_popescu: these are block accepting rules. irrespective of this, all blocks contain a timestamp.
ben_vulpes: A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you.
mircea_popescu: blocks include a timestamp.
ben_vulpes: even "time" must bow to the blockchain.
ben_vulpes: when did that block happen?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> digest of thing is related to time how? << by being a tx in a block
ben_vulpes: but adequate for pinning events to history.
ben_vulpes: not terribly useful for measuring, say, stamina in bed
ben_vulpes: the point i'm making (poorly) is that the block is a nifty fundamental unit of time.
ben_vulpes: digest of thing is related to time how?
mircea_popescu: so it becomes part of the blockchain notion of time, and verifyably so.
mircea_popescu: no, because a digest of your thing will be included in a block.
ben_vulpes: depends on assbot notion of time.
mircea_popescu: it's there about 5x
ben_vulpes: ya plz, the log'd benefit.
ben_vulpes: i read some shit on irc one time
ben_vulpes: spec seems like formal term
mircea_popescu: dja recall the spec ? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: whose computer, what tz, and why even bother with time?
ben_vulpes: how does this date pinning work?
mircea_popescu: it allows you to pin down a date w/o a cp
ben_vulpes: ask i mean to say.
ben_vulpes: i tell ya, if i and my counterparty agree on a block, what's the point?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes supposedly something that's going to automate that is getting delivered this month
ben_vulpes: now, a specific block in the chain - that means something.
ben_vulpes: what is time, anyways...
ben_vulpes: i want to timestamp a thing, i just put the hash of the latest block in in it and then sign the fucker. counterparty ibid, presto, contract pinned to blockchain.
mircea_popescu: the fruit ? no, i love them.
mircea_popescu: like 50 times today.
mircea_popescu: fly0nth3wal1 listen fix your connection because all this join part spam wil result in a ban sooner or later.
Vexual: i think the recourse for steling a palm print might in fact be a palm print
mircea_popescu: same as any internet thing
mircea_popescu: decimation that they'd prolly not do it to just one human
Vexual: they'd cash in a 20c priv key on the inside of a condom wrapper tho
decimation: what recourse would a human have if they stole his credentials and used them criminally?
mats_cd03: if they went for just govt id i may have considered it
mats_cd03: dunno, i didn't, too orweillian for my taste
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 wtf why would anyoen do that.
Vexual: and you can bet more hat 10pc goes to someones wife
Vexual: i don't have to do any of that if i choose to drop my loose change in the donation bag on a plane
mats_cd03: i tried to use a 2way btc atm at the hacker dojo in silicon valley
Vexual: yeah, i was thinking one could get all their wives and kids and cats and shit on the board of a non profit
mats_cd03: no, that would probably 'enable money laundering' or something equally ludicrous
Vexual: do any of those fuckers take coins?
Vexual: sounds like roi to me
assbot: Liberty Teller – First bitcoin ATM in the USA
mats_cd03: self funded by... wharton MBAs. i mean to empty them again and see how long the machines stick around
mats_cd03: on the subject of MBAs, i emptied a 'bitcoin atm' with 1.1btc operated by LibertyTeller the other day
Vexual: asciilifeform:" mircea_popescu: i can't have been the only boy who wanted a game machine that would physically damage you when you fuck up..." i reckons a week on lemonade stand hooked up to a taser should be some kinda mba equivalence
mats_cd03: ma n pa being clergy, this is true praise.
danielpbarron: so rare I've only ever met a few others who feel the same
mats_cd03: a rare thing in christians, in my experience
mats_cd03: i take it back, you are simply living a genuine life
mircea_popescu: no, cult means "you're proceeding on software that I have nothing to do with and don't want anything to do with"
danielpbarron: it's like the word "cult;" it means "i don 't like you."
mircea_popescu: "someone i'd rather ignore" is probably the extension of it.
mircea_popescu: troll no longer means any particular thing.
Vexual: like morolity and madness, the internet has over half the voters
danielpbarron: what does "troll" even mean? I honestly believe the offensive things I say.
mats_cd03: dpb is a rl troll. i guess that makes sense
mircea_popescu: and then they buy you lunch ?
danielpbarron: yep and then I get to tell them about how mormonism is a false gospel
danielpbarron: i like to use the plural "wives" when discussing my hypothetical future to see what kind of expression people make
danielpbarron: that's one of the things so many false christians get hung up on; that most of the big names in the Bible had multiple wives and concubines (slave wives), and God never scolded them for it
danielpbarron: yep; got a point there
mircea_popescu: "morality and monogamy" ? that's not biblical. it's not even mahomedanic.
mircea_popescu: but at issue is the conflation.
danielpbarron: it's not that sexual intercourse is immoral; just certain kinds..
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt the bible makes the mistake.
danielpbarron: depends what is meant by chastity, but I'd say the Bible
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 12.22 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.22 TH/s
mircea_popescu: the logical equivalent would be to prosecute nonvegetarians for theft.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck does this idiotic conflation of chastity and morality come from.
mircea_popescu: "Francis Fukuyama, in The Great Disruption, pretends to seek ways to reverse the “Great Disruption” of the Cultural Revolution, but then admits that there’s no way to restore the most important single aspect of our disrupted culture—sexual morality and monogamy. Furthermore, Fukuyama makes it clear that this is just fine with him."
hanbot: i wonder how long before people aspire to be whistleblowers 'stead of ceos
assbot: SEC to pay $30 million in largest-ever whistleblower award - Chicago Tribune
assbot: View from the Right
mircea_popescu: guy can't hurt anything, but he's likely to get very pissed off and leave in a huff
mats_cd03: on the other hand, i am also new here and perhaps i should listen more and type less.
mircea_popescu: "because i confuse kids with iphones working for alcatel doing tech support for 400e a month for affluent and professional"
mircea_popescu: "When I asked a group of a dozen of the city’s affluent professional class about the number of banks, they smiled and said"
mircea_popescu: "because i tend to confuse tiny 500 sq feet retail bnaking outlets" with "banks"
mircea_popescu: "I was in Timisoara Romania last week. Timisoara is a city of roughly 320k people on the Western edge of Romania. On the drive in to the city I was struck by the huge number of different banks I kept passing."
mats_cd03: perhaps i will leave him a mail, to put him on the right path
mircea_popescu: bout as idiotic as paper can carry tbh.
mircea_popescu: "Needless to say these banks tend to be big banks – our banks. "
assbot: The Disloyal » Golem XIV - Thoughts
mats_cd03: it was this post that made me think he might be appropriate for this community. http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/07/disloyal
mircea_popescu: decimation: lol > http://boycottsystemd.org/ << it'd have been pretty meta if the systemd ppl themselkves had reg'd that domain and made a parody antisite
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla to the conference :)
mats_cd03: not sure really. he writes things, i read them, and sometimes im happy
Duffer1: i've never been out of the states
kakobrekla: local to who?
assbot: A word about banks and the laundering of drug money » Golem XIV - Thoughts
Duffer1: it's possible, my memory is not so good, but i believe i would have remembered that
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 i thought you had seen em