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mircea_popescu: "What armor is there against thought? How do you dodge a wavelength?" << meh. why ruin it ? wavelength is not thought, and moreover easily armored against.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this partially why he was revered in the soviet world, where he in fact died (on tour) a few years ago.
mircea_popescu: such bad writing. if something is a first then it can't be "standard procedure"
mircea_popescu: "Richard Everset and C. R. Jones had gone on the first interstellar flight. They had found an inhabited planet in the region of Vega. The rest was standard procedure."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was not limited to the loltron. plenty of 'humans' made excuses.
mircea_popescu: heck, it'll be tough to argue that they're someone at all, even.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks. << "everyone" ? the us agitprop (calling itslef "mainstream media") is not everyone just like tardstalk.org is not everyone in bitcoin.
asciilifeform: these appear to be wheel hubs.
asciilifeform: when unintentional - bane of machine tool operators everywhere
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JbnDXw-0pM << friction welding. it's a thing
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pete_dushenski: or maybe "thunderbolt terrier" ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks. << just because puppets talking "ignore" doesn't mean everyone ignores
pete_dushenski: for stopping teh child pr0n!
assbot: A Police Dog for the Digital Age: She Can Smell the USB Drive You're Hiding - Bloomberg
pete_dushenski: <mircea_popescu> lord norwich is the english authority on venice << merci!
ben_vulpes: the gutenberg notices are longer than the story
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ThickAsThieves: it's ok, now i'm sharpening my trading skillz
asciilifeform: apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks.
ThickAsThieves: in addition to coming to terms with what it really means to be a usian
ThickAsThieves: had some decent plans back when there were more exchanges
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves what are your plans with that thing anyway
ThickAsThieves: but i emailed him to check
ThickAsThieves: kako, I owned coinflow in the end
BingoBoingo: Eh, the new Apple stuff seems to have a bunch of built in side channels to keep syncing the device with the desktop easy
assbot: Breaking: FBI Director says the bureau is talking to Apple and Google about new encryption settings. Story to come.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/dannyyadron/status/515205493623898112 << Guess the apple warrant canary disappeared because... warrant
ben_vulpes: and there are enough on the table that i should be making odds on how many close
ben_vulpes: if these deals come through, i'm going to have such sweet projects lined up
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla used to run a fund with PsychoticBoy
fluffypony: before announcing it they should at least have a logo contest
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> I can't take these bugs seriously without a logo and an info site << these bugs got no ux!
mike_c: i pwned his box for kicks too
gribble: parseval was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <parseval> though, really, I think banning banks from handling bitcoin transactions is a good thing
kakobrekla: anyone got a contact from this dude
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user coinflow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=coinflow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=coinflow | Rated since: never
berndj-blackout: thanks, but i'm likely to be idle for a while. should work on my rating i guess
ThickAsThieves: sure if you wanna make a bad trader
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: No, teach them fear, that sinking feeling in the pit of one's stomach!
fluffypony: I can't take these bugs seriously without a logo and an info site
BingoBoingo: You've got more serotogenic neurons in the ganglia there than in the brain
fluffypony: oh I see we're calling the Bash bug "ShellShock" now
asciilifeform: except the one where a whale sells hundreds of bitcoins << and your machine isn't buying cheapo coin in its wake?
BingoBoingo: Come on, real trading insight comes from the gut!
ThickAsThieves: Darkstone1 this is how I trade at times
mircea_popescu: what could the tiger possibly do.
Darkstone1: except the one where a whale sells hundreds of bitcoins on all the exchanges where i'm active. But that probably a slim chance.
mircea_popescu: is this the famous last words competition ?
Darkstone1: asciilifeform It is no longer possible to do so. I belive i closed all gaps.
ThickAsThieves: shit i dont even trust stop orders
mircea_popescu: exactly asciilifeform's "but we don't even know how to make computers yet!" sorta thing
mircea_popescu: really the proposition of making a living with trading bots is the response of the engineer who confronted with the fundamental impossibility of making money picking stocks decides to write a hard ai to do it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: Darkstone1: if this is even remotely possible to do to you - and probably necessarily so if your bot is less complicated, than, say, 'eurisko' - give up.
ben_vulpes: would this actually be a frequency response thing?
ThickAsThieves: another sign that chinese exchanges are all bots/washing, the books are always balanced
Darkstone1: I'm fairly sure i've met bots specially crafted to screw my bots at one exchange once...
asciilifeform: to continue the oscillator analogy: nitwits running simple bots will show up as 'line spectra'.
berndj-blackout: asciilifeform, add to that, use a spread-spectrum hammer or something
ThickAsThieves: <+kakobrekla> (or maybe im just imagining) /// it wouldnt be ta otherwise
asciilifeform: berndj-blackout: nope. to run with the mechanical analogy, the system has a certain amount of 'dampening'.
berndj-blackout: asciilifeform: won't any nonzero hammer work, given enough time to get a decent SNR?
asciilifeform: other people - who have hammer - should be presumed to have worked on it, as well.
asciilifeform: and yes, i must admit i worked on this. but let it go, from lack of hammer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform works especially well if you're too big to fail, thoo.
mircea_popescu: Darkstone1 the point was, "how to build gt finesse bots"
asciilifeform: in fact, even if you do not know the actual strategies - you can discover the system's 'resonances' by repeated hammer blows.
Darkstone1: And i am not an neobee bagholder. I sold everything after the crash and gained +50%.
mircea_popescu: Darkstone1 a okay then
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you might not be the only one.
kakobrekla: i see this everyday - what ascii is describing
asciilifeform: then you can, if your 'hammer' (ability to move price) is large enough, manipulate.
Darkstone1: *again*? no thank you, already read it.
asciilifeform: and you know what the thresholds are
asciilifeform: where you know that opponents are running, e.g., simple arbitrage bots, but each has a 'stop-loss' threshold
assbot: The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Darkstone1 http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ read that try again ?
mircea_popescu: what do you mean by that ?
Darkstone1: asciilifeform: i can partialy agree on that. But if i do not have an game-theory fitness ass raping bot. I tried but failed.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony just the video :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well marketing is game theoretical finesse rape of other bots. except for some reason other bots insist on calling them people.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: are their English subs on that one at least?
fluffypony: especially people who think they've "invested" in a cryptocurrency because they bought some
asciilifeform: (in fact, i suspect that any bot whose strategy is not a game-theoretical-finesse-rape of other bots - is quite useless) ☟︎
fluffypony: same as the delusion of being an "investor"
mircea_popescu: if what the delusion of being a "trader" costs is 10 bucks, plenty of takers.
asciilifeform: diametric: public trade bots are worthless << not only this; but any bot whose strategy is exactly known to others - is useless.
mircea_popescu: Darkstone1 i paid 10 dollars a month numerous times to trade pennies in online games
berndj-blackout: ah, i see, i'm too random i suppose
mircea_popescu: you need to be in assbot's l2 wot to selfvoice here.
berndj-blackout: thanks mircea_popescu - just figuring out the cloak&dagger stuff :)
Darkstone1: i dont think anyone would pay 10 dollars a month to trade pennies.
Darkstone1: (totaly idiotic platform by the way...)
punkman: Darkstone1: no I just meant they'll never get to handle any serious amount of BTC
Darkstone1: punkpan: i use doubles. It's bad, i know. But it does not really matter as most exchanges send you the amounts in json floats anyway..
mircea_popescu: <Darkstone1> but my parther thinks that selling the thing with source code is useless. << so let the partner run it'
punkman: Darkstone1: yeah I doubt any of the hosted tradebots handle integer BTC amounts
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> not equating the two, just saying similar tone. << we are kinda inhaviting a cartoon world atm
mircea_popescu: this entire shitfest won't survive me i tellya!
mircea_popescu: we know the name of the rose verse to come from bernardo of cluny, 1000 years ago. but keeping track who shat in the repos is too hard over two decades.