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mircea_popescu: getting ACTUAL dollars, ie, reducing your external debt, ios a whole different story from shuffling bezzlars among the branches of state / various state owned entreprises in a ridiculous but doomed attempt to simulate a working economy
mircea_popescu: TomServo: Is this bizarro world? <<< well lenovo isn't a us state corp.
mircea_popescu: but bitpay gotta stick with the old ring of scammers because why not.
cazalla: midnightmagic, np ty
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones: then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker << mostly because everyone else had more sense than to be involved.
mats_cd03: 17:42:24 <+jborkl_> is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of? << 26-09-2014 21:31:23 <mircea_popescu> ;;unrate jborkl_
asciilifeform: or, suppose herr frein studied, e.g., robotics, and/or aeronautics, or, ..., ..., instead (or in addition to) small arms.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ? << Telling people their websites are broken
xanthyos: heh, oliver twist asking mr bumble for some more
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what's the reason that payment this week is considerably less than previous ones?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no reason whatsoever to do this, unless ancient proggy demands it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so unearthing 7 would be akin to using, say, dos 2 instead of 6.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well their previous archeology experiment was DOS... Also 7.X series supports color.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why they picked OS 9 and not... 7 << 9 is the end of that line, wtf would you want with 7
mircea_popescu: how does that work.
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jborkl_: thank you for the up BingoBoingo
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Azelphur: BingoBoingo: I feel this is relevant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Y9ja9s5f0
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Interesting write up. I do wonder though why they picked OS 9 and not... 7
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nubbins`: i know a hippie that put every cent he had into silver in 2008
The20YearIRCloud: I'm the only guy i know that bought into silver that hasn't lost a good deal of money into it
punkman: mircea_popescu: probably older than paypal
mircea_popescu: http://wmtransfer.com/ check that out.
thestringpuller: ah the 90's
xanthyos: his gravelly voice puts me to sleep
Dimsler: that are easy to convince into a wearing a tin foil hat
Dimsler: pretty sure the only people taking jones seirously are low brow hicks
xanthyos: when idiots speak confidently, it's hard to resist their charm. that's why jehovah's witnesses visit in pairs
Dimsler: the two biggest idiots
xanthyos: i got all my information from keiser's call-ins to the alex jones show, so i guess i deserved to lose
mircea_popescu: ahhh it's so great to see blogger.com die
punkman: how many times did Kodak go bankrupt?
asciilifeform also remembers thinking 'doesn't kodak corp. have most of the supply, not jpm'
xanthyos: i was one of the idiots who bought silver at 29 and held it even when it spiked to 48
xanthyos: russell brand used to have a radio show 10 years ago full of revolutionary antistatist ideas. then he started getting work for cbs and disney and got quiet
xanthyos: i don't even track the prices of any alts
Duffer1: how's maxcoin doing these days btw? :P
xanthyos: ^ two men both of whom i have trusted and have let me down. "but i love him and maybe this time he won't beat me."
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Duffer1: arrest if an officer wanted to fuck with you
nubbins`: mircea_popescu then whytf is he PMing me asking for voice?!
asciilifeform: exactly what i was trying to explain here.
mircea_popescu: any state purporting to enforce strict liability is pure stalinism and nothing but. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, an excellent example of why so called "strict liability" and the rule of law can not coexist.
PeterL: but any organic lab will have those ingredients
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases. << goes neatly with the
PeterL: could agent walk into my lab and say "You have benzyl chloride, acetonitrile and methylamine, therfore intent to manufacture methamphetamine"?
asciilifeform: PeterL: normally they use 'child porn' to create a 'lettre de cachet' rather than gun.
PeterL: your example, modified gun used to prosecute manufacturer of record?
PeterL: I wonder if this has been tried in court yet?
asciilifeform: 'loyal servant of the crown says he found this under your bed.'
asciilifeform: in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases.
asciilifeform: any 'strict liability offence' carries with it - this theorem
asciilifeform: this is the basic 'kilo of cocaine in your toilet tank' theorem
PeterL: then they would have to prove records were falsified
asciilifeform: PeterL: inspector walks in with the 17-inch barrel, and says 'you are also guilty of falsifying records, since your records do not show that you made this'
PeterL: then they can use those docs in court
PeterL: signed by the techs certifiying they meet specs
PeterL: asciilifeform: presumably the gun manufactureres keep records of what they produce
asciilifeform: you: 'i wanted a belousov–zhabotinsky reaction.' judge: 'you want chemisty - go to a store.' you: 'can't buy in a store' judge:
asciilifeform: owns beaker? terrorist. all that remains is for inquisitor to establish what naughty substance you were making (or intended to make - separate article in penal code) ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is roughly the situation with organic chemistry in usa, and has been for many years
asciilifeform: in fact, this logically applies to anyone known to own the required tools for manufacturing illegal widgets
asciilifeform: they can force you to do or say absolutely anything - say, borrow your wife, or whatnot.
asciilifeform: since law is whatever they say it is, and they can trot out whatever piece of hardware and say it came from your conveyor,
asciilifeform: just seems like you're at the total mercy of the crown, if you're a legal (registered) small-arms whatever-business.
The20YearIRCloud: where they forced a gun store to sell guns to a known cartel member, or otherwise they'd throw all the people in jail. Then said cartel guy kills quite a few with said gun.
Duffer1: forces can trick you into breaking the law with impunity
The20YearIRCloud: law says it's on them, although it could be done, ala gunwalker
asciilifeform: but what if your refuse to break the laws, and inspector helpfully buys your 18 and cuts it in his office.
The20YearIRCloud: Well in the case of ruby ridge the USG killed the guy's family
asciilifeform: that's tame compared to the gedankenexperiment. ordinary 'entrapment.'
The20YearIRCloud: becuase that's what happened. A ATF agent got a guy to cut a inch off a shotgun in exchange for $200, then started a whole ordeal over it
The20YearIRCloud: Read up on the story of Ruby ridge to find what happens over that inch asciilifeform
asciilifeform: inspector: 'libelling a loyal servant of the crown. extra jail points!'
Duffer1: welding a muzzle device counts too
The20YearIRCloud: SIG very recently put out a few hundred thousand items that the ATF decided they didn't like, and they were essentially impossible to recall, so ATF sued them, and SIG won the lawsuit
asciilifeform: no, think about the hypothetical. inspector walks in with 17 inch barrel, says 'you made this. now to jail.'
The20YearIRCloud: If it's 17" , the law says you can just weld a piece of scrap metal to it that's 1" long and make it get to the minimum length
asciilifeform: but how to prove that you didn't make a particular non-compliant item
The20YearIRCloud: If it's a prototype, and you have a commercial manufacture license, you can fix that
The20YearIRCloud: Well, most firearm firms that have a worry about the legality might send a copy or a blueprint to the ATF to get certification
The20YearIRCloud: Depends on what kind of inspection you're talking about
asciilifeform: let's say you manufacture, e.g., shotguns. then inspector walks in, with a piece inscribed with your logo, 17" long.
The20YearIRCloud: Because if they would allow it, it would bring on a severe wave of 'i improperly used your product to hurt someone, so i'm gonna sue' which happend a ton in the early 90s
punkman: nubbins`: did you get like 10 sms messages from them?
The20YearIRCloud: The uS passed a law a while ago that made it quite hard to sue a gun maker
punkman: surprised it worked in this shithole
The20YearIRCloud: So with an AK/AR it's the reciever, on something like a glock it's the frame/grip.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: afaik there's some national list of prohibited features
The20YearIRCloud: And then, the 'firearm' as far as the USG and ATF are concerned is the part that contains the serial number
punkman: this circle thing works, just grabbed a cheap coin
The20YearIRCloud: Manufacturing firearms isn't illegal anyhwere in the US outside of California and NY whom have additional restrictions. The federal deal is that it has to comply with all local laws, and if you intent to sell it, they require your information to be on it.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: (ianal!) but recently i was told that it is, apparently, still legal to cut your own 'receiver' in usa - so long as you write your name on it.
The20YearIRCloud: Doesn't Romania still use stamped AK recievers? I know all the ones we get here in the US are paper thin