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mircea_popescu: that's why getting him there was so important for the swedish collaborationists.
nubbins`: heaven forbid they commit one way or the other
mircea_popescu: !up test___
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: not just usa. ask mr. assange <<< no, it;'s just the usa
nubbins`: BingoBoingo so what's the actual version number? 6.3?
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> don't be the person that you came with! << !
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp. << Upgrade the dorms to... STUDIOS!
mircea_popescu: hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ?
nubbins`: too many words, it turns out
mircea_popescu: punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp.
nubbins`: man i'm reading this article about cohen now and the asshole who wrote it seriously just referred to federico lorca as "gabriel garcia lorca"
mircea_popescu: hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising << duh. how do you think the pretense of "media" is preserved ? edvertising!
assbot: The next version of Windows will be… Windows 10 | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: lol comments thx Microsoft >> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/the-next-version-of-windows-will-be-windows-10/?comments=1
mircea_popescu: don't be the person that you came with!
nubbins`: just think, all cohen wanted people to do was light a match
mircea_popescu: punkman: "nine technical leaders" <<< ahahaha just this.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` most ppl dunno how to use the soap bar.
nubbins`: you should see the rest of the pictures the guy took. not sure if drunk or couldn't find flash button
nubbins`: bounce lives in a city without tunnels 8)
bounce: where is this? they have underground buses!
nubbins`: this is a trial run, wanted to make sure the guy didn't suck before i get him to post larger ones
nubbins`: to be fair, that's an unusually large pole
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames
asciilifeform: fortunately, dying trying doesn't cost anything.
hanbot: eh i guess they didn't (searching turns up some delightful headlines however, incl. "Rx Generic Viagra - The Parrot Liberation Front"). anyway, i suppose he's free to die trying.
asciilifeform: steal and turn loose in africa, or on city streets ? makes a difference.
hanbot: did the ELF never steal a cheetah?
thickasthieves: in the end yeah, many such conservations even have tours...
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: that would fall under 'other zoo' scenario, no ?
asciilifeform: notice that 'wait to be lifted' isn't on the list. no one steals a cheetah except to place in another zoo.
asciilifeform: cheetah needs to find hole. or invent bolt-cutters.
thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach
asciilifeform: for some people, having a master feels liberating, sure. no disputing this.
thickasthieves: the problem i have is that i think it's okay to be free enough to do nothing all the time
thickasthieves: i wouldnt put it that way ascii, but sure
hanbot: asciilifeform: indeed. does thermodynamics preclude there being moar options besides submission to big bad or nothing, tho?
thickasthieves: if you could do anything anytime, you might do nothing all the time
asciilifeform: hanbot: naturally, i, and everything alive, would rather have ininite pony and pay with - nothing. but thermodynamics disagrees.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you. ☟︎
hanbot: so if i'm condensing this correctly, you want time in which to not be told what to do (free time), for which you must pay with an overarching adherence to what you're told to do (living in us)?
mats_cd03: so lets cut to the chase. do you have a number for your 'fuck you money'?
asciilifeform: perhaps also worth noting is that, imho, 'free time' is not only a freedom to act, but having with what to act. hence there is a difference between the free time of prisoner and non-prisoner.
bounce was just reading a text about buddhism, from some tibetan guy went and lived in the yoosah. said it was all about freedom. and that it's all in your mind. that's right, freedom in your mind. -- maybe this'll go over better if actually imprisoned in the yoosah, maybe.
asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time.
hanbot is attempting to sort out the transactional mess here
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: tired is fine when you tired because you were acting on own volition.
danielpbarron: i like being tired at the end of the day; it's the all-year-long monotony of "conventional" jobs that I loath
asciilifeform: hanbot: mircea_popescu was once puzzled why people will break their backs to make pennies 'while they sleep.' i always understood why.
asciilifeform: hanbot: if i had to do a conventional 'job', with physical movement and shifts, the kind that actually leaves you tired at the end of a day - that'd be much like prison.
danielpbarron: p.good theory
xanthyos: jsut a theory
xanthyos: so now any future freeroll will be from the rake they've generated and they can promote it without risking any overhead btc
asciilifeform: hanbot: for me, it's the question of imprisoned now or later.
hanbot: asciilifeform incidentally this has left me wondering what free time is worth if you don't perceive that you're free. if you can still do all you want to do, though, great!
xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot
xanthyos: haven't heard from stander since nitrogensports.eu opened and had a promised 5 btc freeroll on opening night, then was conveniently ddossed, and promises a 10 btc freeroll that has yet to be scheduled
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November :: 32.73 B (58%) on Yes, 23.94 B (42%) on No | closing in 1 week 3 days | weight: 24`802 (100`000 to 1)
danielpbarron: you should bet on this then http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/bitcoin-to-drop-under-350-before-november/
xanthyos: i can afford to go bust, i'm not going all in
xanthyos: i do, but i'm going long term
danielpbarron: i don't think the price will go much lower than 380
xanthyos: someone on tinychat tried to sell me btc, i set a price 5% under spot and was ready to buy, thesy stlled me out for hours, then said they changed their mind
xanthyos: and only then be able to receive the msg
xanthyos: no, it's a joke that he might
xanthyos: omg danielpbarron is speaking to me
hanbot: yes, but in their own minds. they'll contract flesh-eating muggerbugs or w/e and not be able to find any toilet paper.
asciilifeform: hanbot: just like the fellow in space capsule, simply can open air lock and see the stars.
asciilifeform: hanbot: technically, anyone who can scrape together the loose change for a plane ticket - and can physically get to airport - 'can.'
hanbot: ah, so not an issue of "can't" then, but of not being worth it? well that's perfectly sound. most people i talk to about leaving the us are on the "can't" wagon.
xanthyos: ;;later tell davidldubuc glad you dug your private key out of that train station dumpster.
asciilifeform: hanbot: it isn't really a 'profession structure' in my case. yes, for some people, 'i'm a lawyer and without that i'm nothing, where's my pistol' etc. these folks dropped like flies in '90s russia, say. but i'm more of - 'if i can move across the sea, but have to work as shoemaker in a cellar for 12h day, instead of 'turning the right screw' here in usa, why do i need to buy plane ticket? i can do the shoemaker th
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mats_cd03 I'll prolly have a list soon
hanbot: which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar?
hanbot: asciilifeform well that's cool, gotta work with what you've got and all. if what you've got is profession-dictated structure, then sure, i can see it. it's an uncomfortable thought but at some point it may become necessary to weigh the importance of that structure against the importance of freedom.
asciilifeform: the picture of usa 'ticking' because of some abstract ideal like 'war' or 'consumption' is mistake. rather it's more like the tissues of a corpse that can ferment anaerobically, living on for days or even weeks past burial
bounce: apparently that's all they need to keep ticking.
bounce: the state religion for domestic consumtion (the pun is mandatory, citizen). the one for export is called "democracy". and the motivation is "let's find us something to make war against"
asciilifeform: happy to consume: food, water, plenty of mains current, the occasional bit of scrap metal.
asciilifeform: i should probably point out that unlike many people i know in usa, i'm generally more interested in aggregate free time than usual luxuries. this gives me a somewhat perverse incentive structure.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i can only speak for myself, really, but i do have a fairly solid picture of what kind of life folks with profession similar to my own live, in various parts of the world, and how much sweat they must sweat, vs. i at my duties, and so forth.
punkman: asciilifeform: what the hell do I know, I'm far away
hanbot: well if you can and want to use assumptions about the space outside, that works. the problem is those assumptions may well be poor given data collection capabilities from inside the box, and for all you know you're being fed data to make you toil over impossible suits for the purpose of keeping you inside.
asciilifeform: punkman: rationalizing << let's have the harsh light of the cold truth, then..?
asciilifeform: hanbot: possibly try to construct a suit, sure. but not going into vacuum until suit is reasonably airtight.
asciilifeform: hanbot: usually, by the time leaving seems like a good idea regardless, it is far too late.
hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box?
asciilifeform: hanbot: i suspect that it isn't leaving with suitcase that bothers people, but for the most part a rational calculation of whether leaving would in fact give them increased freedom - or not - to do the kind of things they actually want to do.
hanbot: and it may not be the place per se, love for a certain avenue or whatnot, but fear of what's left when x certification or y language mastery doesn't matter so much anymore.
hanbot: eh, it's hard for people not to take it personally. i won't eat their sammiches, ergo i despise them!
asciilifeform: hanbot: friends - sure. (though they are still your friends, presumably, over telegraph)
asciilifeform: hanbot: with the exception of hereditary peasants, bound to the soil, etc - can't picture who is attached to the 'place' per se
hanbot: kinda like getting served a bad meal at some restaurant and deciding you're not going there anymore, whether it's the only restaurant in town or not, whether that's where all your friends go, etc.
hanbot: in terms of physical stuff i left the us with a suitcase. more important imo was actually letting go of the place itself and one's place within it --possibly never to be reunited.
hanbot: well naturally varies from one person to the next. if there were an omnipotent list it'd effectively remove the likely most widespread item: fear.
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you meant luxuries - cars, houses, etc. - americans are having a fine time 'letting go' of these, with a little help from an imploding economy and hungry creditors...
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you've the time - elaborate. which things ought people let go of ?
hanbot: food and shelter are a lot easier to acquire when you let go of stuff you don't need. that latter part tends to be harder.
asciilifeform: most people in usa understand that no one, across any ocean, is holding his breath waiting for them.
hanbot: <asciilifeform> -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people << always a bitch. the good kind, tho'.