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asciilifeform: interesting that one usg mole could achieve this.
asciilifeform: herr poettering is quite close to destroying linux as a going concern, imho.
midnightmagic: Also his drinking gets in the way of being a functional human.
midnightmagic: I don't really care much about his attitude. But his brain is malfunctioning because he is drunk all the time.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Thanks. I'll make sure cazalla sees the praise.
asciilifeform: 'people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me' << lulz
dub: not sure about the pink
mod6: this qntra.net is p cool. looks good in lynx too.
BingoBoingo: Poettering on Linus: "But more importantly, I'd actually put some blame on a certain circle of folks that play a major role in kernel development, and first and foremost Linus Torvalds himself. By many he is a considered a role model, but he is quite a bad one. If he posts words like "[specific folks] ...should be retroactively aborted. Who the f*ck does idiotic things like that?"
assbot: Lennart Poettering: Open Source Community "Quite a Sick Place To Be In" - Slashdot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user penguirker: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=penguirker | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=penguirker | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "The term "palimony" is not a legal or historical term, but rather a colloquial portmanteau of the words pal and alimony coined by celebrity divorce attorney Marvin Mitchelson in 1977 when his client Michelle Triola Marvin filed an unsuccessful suit against the actor Lee Marvin."
BingoBoingo: qntra traffic thus far, I'll get on cazalla to set up quantcast when he's back: http://i.imgur.com/HaGe47Y.png
mircea_popescu: nah this smells like paper
mircea_popescu: fucking arsonists these people.
mircea_popescu: it went up a whole .1% in twenty minutes, that estimation.
mircea_popescu: yea prolly gonna bust that 41 or 43 or w/e the bet was
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35371817081.7 based on data since last change | 39333332992.6 based on data for last three days
thickasthieves: AM is selling $0.33/GH now, i wonder if thatmeans theyll pay divs again
assbot: The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thickasthieves: ftr i was never offered the position :)
mircea_popescu: lettuce never learn from the mistakes of asicminer. lettuce forever be speshul and cover the same wrong turns.
thickasthieves: "After Overstock builds its cryptosecurity software—which will likely take several months—Byrne intends to present the system to regulators for approval. But this may be difficult to win, because the SEC and the incumbent banks are so set in their ways."
assbot: Overstock.com Assembles Coders to Create a Bitcoin-Like Stock Market | WIRED
mircea_popescu: !up tomding
assbot: Earth Time Lapse, International Space Station, ISS, Fly Over, ORBIT HD - YouTube
assbot: BitLendingClub: Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending Platform
gribble: wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 3 days, 11 hours, 54 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <wyrdmantis> Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?
mircea_popescu: "According to the report, a work for successfully enforcing the schooling has been dynamically pushed forward as the one involving the whole state, all people and the whole society and signal successes have been made in it."
gribble: psterryl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <psterryl> how many individual trades there were
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sgornick nice of you eh.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> also "At least 8 GB of RAM." << that sounds like five ddoses waiting to happen...
mircea_popescu: TomServo> Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck. << but that's what you were there for right ?
gribble: Sent 7 minutes ago: <sgornick> Re: Qntra.net, I registered @Qntra on Twitter before some griefer /squatter did. Then put a Twitterfeed to push tweets from the RSS feed. When you want the twitter acct, let me know what e-mail to assign it to. It can't be an e-mail already used for any other twitter account. ☟︎
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assbot: Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> yeah, that'd stop realtime anything <<< realtime and trust don't mix. the fundamental is this old thing from coinpal : http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/
mircea_popescu: ie, want to sell for 20, sell anywhere between 17 and 23.
mircea_popescu: still the major problem will be that while on average say it's an ideal market, 0% bias, that average has a poisson distribution of maybe 15% each way, so any individual buyer could see a price fuzziness as close to 30% as his luck gets.
mircea_popescu: dignork yeah in that you have a point
assbot: Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter
sgornick: Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter - http://Twitter.com/Qntra
Naphex: and there is just this php tat would IPC with it using shmop lol
Naphex: punkman: the deamon which parsesd bitcoind data dir, uses shmop as IPC
punkman: from coinspark server thing, sounds safe "PHP compiled with the --enable-shmop option, since the PHP script communicates with the compiled C process via shared memory."
dignork: Naphex: still, as far as I can see they fail to provide any usefull functionality besides what already done in counterparty. Impossibility to spend/destroy assets by dumb wallet is a nice touch, but that's it.
TomServo: Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck.
Naphex: atleast their issued code, apperantly whats running on their free servers tracks everything
Naphex: and have to specify some reference ID
Naphex: dignork: yeah, the only thing that i mind is that you can't have asset tracking servers track everything
assbot: Battle Rapper Daylyt Attempted to Poop On Stage After Getting Booed At a Show This Weekend | Complex
assbot: Optional: Run your own asset tracking server | CoinSpark
dignork: Naphex: coinspark << another OP_RETURN riding model, similar to counterparty. Cool part - SPV, but it actually relies on asset tracking servers: http://coinspark.org/create-asset/asset-tracking-server/
thestringpuller: xanthyos: 5.4% up last 24h that's a pretty good ROI
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 329.7, Best ask: 331.11, Bid-ask spread: 1.41000, Last trade: 331.11, 24 hour volume: 77530.12186140, 24 hour low: 295.89, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 314.494778796
xanthyos: wow btc is in the black!
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski that's moderately interesting. do you think the pink whale's responsible?
ben_vulpes: yeah, that'd stop realtime anything
dignork: mircea_popescu: bias was mentioned as part of explanation on why arbiters will act as random oracles, thus making risk split 50/50 on buyer and seller.
pete_dushenski: i guess he's andreas 3.0 (2.0 was twobittard)
dionyziz: Let's talk again soon :)
dionyziz: Thanks for the link, I will read it.
mircea_popescu: and with this i'll have to take a meeting, but will be back in an hour or so. cheers.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: which is a matter of the wot. lettuce find the relevant article.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, conceptually similar to your thing, sure. people agreeing on a trade and exchanging the money and signing the contract in a pseudonymous manner.
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: The problem I am trying to solve in OpenBazaar is in particular how two pseudonymous agents can trust each other without knowing each other.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz it's not personal in any sense. signatures are pseudonyms for this purpose
dionyziz: I'm familiar with the concept of GPG-signing a personal contract.
mircea_popescu: dignork you can't have bias in a decentralized market. you will instead have volatility. bias happens in central markets like ebay deciding to side with buyer
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Maybe it is similar to this agreement that I did with a friend a few months ago? https://dionyziz.com/hedge.txt
dignork: dionyziz: Another potential problem: decentralized arbitration will act as random oracle. If arbiters will keep bias towards buyer, sellers will increase prices to compensate. Bias towards sellers will make buyers to seek discount >= bias rate. Assuming sellers will have to maintain their ratings, risk will mainly be on the seller side, this risk will be priced in. Do you have any estimates on the
dionyziz: Ah, I see what this is.
mircea_popescu: this chan's always here for that very reason
mircea_popescu: dionyziz don't take things the wrong way, there's plenty of work to do for people wanting to be useful. it's just important not to waste the enthusiasm of youth on dead ends.
dionyziz: And thank you for taking the time to address these issues with us.
dionyziz: Thank you for sharing this with me :)
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: OK, I will read this.
thickasthieves: shit remember that lot jutarul sold on the forum at 5btc?
mircea_popescu: (and here's a riot, 1.2k asicminer full shares ? aka 6k btc at the peak ? history!)
mircea_popescu: pseudonymous parties agreeing on a trade, exchanging money and signing the contract.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/asicminer-agreementtxt.asc << there you go.
dionyziz: Can you explain why you think it's a solved problem?
dionyziz: I don't think it's a solved problem.
mircea_popescu: anyway : this already exists, it's a solved problem. why are you resolving a solved problem ?
mircea_popescu: these two are not the same in any sense, stop using them as synonyms.
dionyziz: The delivery is their own problem.
dionyziz: We want to allow people to agree on a trade and exchange the money and sign the contract in a pseudonymous manner.
dionyziz: in OpenBazaar we want to maintain anonymity at the point of trade.
mircea_popescu: ok, so what problem does it try to solve ?
dionyziz: In the same way that cryptography isn't trying to solve all the problems of security,
dionyziz: As I said, in OpenBazaar we don't try to solve the problem of shipping.
brianhoffman: hey all i have to run. very busy day but i am enjoying the convo. i will be back.
thestringpuller: and they will fine you
dionyziz: thestringpuller: I live in the EU :)
thestringpuller: drones are not going to work in the US
dionyziz: And I'm interested in these ideas, but OpenBazaar is not trying to find solutions there.
mircea_popescu: but yes, for that thin sliver where carders and snowden wanna pass along secrets, there's something.
brianhoffman: well i’d like to say we’re working on a decentralized drone delivery network as part of this
dionyziz: There are ideas to make shipping more untrackable.