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snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty

ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:59:05 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936550 << i dunno dood, you're selling houses, being poor, it's a stu. you'll have to sort it out for yourself, i can't figure it out from over here.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936572 << not an issue. I got this. I always figure it out eventually

lobbes: roger that then re: the mysql replication. I'll move onto other pieces

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:41:04 lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:40:55 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << to come back to this: I spent a half-dozen hours last night educating myself on mysql replication. I hope to have this figured out (and tested on my own blog) by end of today (will post a handy guide, because why not)

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936556 << kinda waste of time. the seed will just have been an import, and the comments/posts i intended to have handled from php.

lobbes: I think that is it for people running Stan loggers

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936550 << i dunno dood, you're selling houses, being poor, it's a stu. you'll have to sort it out for yourself, i can't figure it out from over here.

lobbes: http://archive.is/5L8Cb#selection-1483.105-1483.280 << E.g. I think this is: "Don't break the balls! We see here people crossing the square grabbing a rope because the wind was blowing them to shit, families littered along the ropes. In your face Netflix!"

lobbes: BingoBoingo: I'm finding that your various updates make for amusing (if not challenging) spanish practice

lobbes: diana_coman: this is true, huh. Besides, worse things I could be than a knight! I'll take the opportunity to learn how to not decide things in haste for example

ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:46:06 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.

lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << to come back to this: I spent a half-dozen hours last night educating myself on mysql replication. I hope to have this figured out (and tested on my own blog) by end of today (will post a handy guide, because why not)

ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.

lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936455 << I ofc can't find the log reference in o(1) time, but I remember you stating that the wisdom for wealth building is *spending less* rather than the converse. Maybe I'm missing the point tho

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working

ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:55:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936449 << this makes sense. I guess was simply stating my reasonings for decision in the logs. But to your point I ought to start looking more at established and measurable facts than imagined feels

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:20:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:03:16 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936381 << spamola, i suspect, is a 'when', rather than an 'if'.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )

asciilifeform: i'ma roll out bvt's bot patch in coming days. (when errybody's asleep, ideally)

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936402 << pretty sure i found the culprit ( phuctor ) , i'ma make it weekly again.

diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.

mircea_popescu: i had the opposite impression.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:41:10 lobbes: Of course I'm already regretting that resignation thinking I did that with my classic 'jumpy reasoning'; I think what I really needed was clarity, which comes from communication, which has been working pretty well so far.

snsabot: Logged on 2017-07-16 16:54:44 whatisthis: yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can?

mircea_popescu: I GOT IT ALL!!!

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere

ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 23:17:48 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:52:21 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936308 << If I may ask, how did you pay for it then? Were you one of those students who actually learned things and thus got good grades (i.e. could qualify for scholarships)?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936364 << to drive everyone up the wall : my degree was actually ~2-3k a year ; an' i'm pretty sure i made more during a brief foray in teaching there (while still a student!) than the whole thing cost. AND said degree includes (besides philosophy an' socilology) ALSO JOURNALISM

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:31 lobbes: I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:20 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936119 << heh, I hope I didn't overdo it with my last article (I think it included some three trackbacks to trilema)

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936358 << wasn;t complaining. besides, by now i think avg trilema article does 12+ tracjabacjs,

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:55:50 trinque: I'm inclined to let whomever register w/e channel with deedbot, set their threshold for plebvoice, and let the wot work.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936305 << in my defense, i spent my 20s (in consensus with the peers of the time and place) that i ain't making no 30.

diana_coman: I'll chew on that some more (and maybe I won't want to strangle hope all that much anymore).

mircea_popescu: and let me say that i really enjoy the sort of problems i am having these days.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:50:55 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936114 << I'm thinking let the owner of chan set his/her threshold of voice, whatcha think?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936293 << i have no firm idea as of yet ; but i'm inclined to think it'd be too many moving parts, and deleterious thereby.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:47:03 trinque: I'm a sick troll in the household.

mircea_popescu: it's literally a collage, i cut up the "secret" court filings produced by "secret" services for its material.

mircea_popescu: was part and parcel of ye epic http://trilema.com/2012/sorana-comedie-bufa-intr-un-act/ (the title says "Sorana, funny comedy in one act". unique as far as i know among all literary productions for the stage to date, this play is written ~entirely~ out of material illegally intercepted by romania's chapter of usg.blue, and doled out in court without any kind of supervision)

diana_coman: so then, if spammers come spamming, I'll have to man the walls or something, more fun to be had.

mircea_popescu: i don't instantly see the benefit of an alternative. some things do not benefit from alternative, eg a knife which first has you "select which side to be sharp" is a worse knife that is sharp on one side.

diana_coman: I can see also why make it 9 only and that's that if the model is either "everyone can speak" or "only peers can speak"

mircea_popescu: how the hell do i know what you want.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no, not at all; but why would I want *only knights* to be able to talk there?

diana_coman: and wtf am I going to do, police it?

mircea_popescu: i think this last bit is kinda stupid, tbh.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002089 - I still see the point for *different* thresholds in different places; ie 9 is peer everywhere but in #t it's only peers that may speak while in #o it's everyone who didn't get thrown out.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 18:16:33 BingoBoingo: Tanks https://i.imgur.com/lZPZUtw.jpg << Do not appear to be a match for Uruguay's actual tanks

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 17:58:07 BingoBoingo: In local news: Uruguayos stripped down and humiliated in the Plaza Independencia https://i.redd.it/dsjaoraybmm31.jpg

lobbes: I managed to pay for my first two years (via the much cheaper 'community college' option) with pure cash from my saving from working at the grocery store. The final two years (at the more expensive state school) are what killed me. And I mentally checked out around 6th grade, so my GPA was laughable (literally was in the 2.3 range I think); no scholarships for me.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936308 << If I may ask, how did you pay for it then? Were you one of those students who actually learned things and thus got good grades (i.e. could qualify for scholarships)?

lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.

lobbes: I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936119 << heh, I hope I didn't overdo it with my last article (I think it included some three trackbacks to trilema)

trinque: would've saved mircea_popescu years of trilema if the ideal state were "and then I think for all of you for the rest of time"

trinque: I'm inclined to let whomever register w/e channel with deedbot, set their threshold for plebvoice, and let the wot work.

trinque: what do I care if you talk to them. probably zero, maybe >0!

trinque: I dunno what metaphors apply, but surely you know someone besides yourself.

lobbes: hm, yeah I guess this makes sense. Sort of a "cross that bridge when come to it" type of deal

trinque: I dunno that castlehood or w/e is the "and now you can have a deedbot" line

lobbes: In any case, I'll just give it some time.

lobbes: Of course I'm already regretting that resignation thinking I did that with my classic 'jumpy reasoning'; I think what I really needed was clarity, which comes from communication, which has been working pretty well so far.

lobbes is currently not sure if should apply for official castlehood, on grounds that a) castle is currently deserted and b) technically I resigned from lordship about a month ago

trinque: can the lords and ladies let me know if they're interested in such a thing, and if so I'll get cracking.

trinque: on the subj of multi-channel deedbot, that already exists. I need to tweak the wot/voicing code a bit to support, but otherwise not so hard.

trinque: I've got terbytes free down in uy tho

asciilifeform: ah, i was pretty certain that someone mentioned doing it, and was trinque . maybe that someone writes in.

trinque: I don't know if it would surprise anyone here, but they do a better job!

asciilifeform: which i suspect is bullshit

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:03:20 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in lulz BingoBoingo might appreciate, asciilifeform was clearing , i shit thee not, jungle, w/ machete

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.

ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:57:52 diana_coman: fwiw I always end up scratching my head at this "mircea_popescu won't help" because I haven't seen more people that are more helpful than mircea_popescu ; the only way that "won't help" makes sense to me is if it's fully qualified as in "won't help your stupidity"

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936203 << I intend to badger you about hardware p until silenced by brick wall. what load now?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:33:25 ave1: So I'm working on genesis of gcc and the second test build is running. First failed, I expect some more failures before done.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 04:08:46 dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935524 << sure in theory; what do you know about ilb.ru that makes it distinguishable from when I made the snapshot?

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936168 << I've been long curious when. If mp wanted to be Stalin, he'd already be, or so the derp texan's opinion goes.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:11:35 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, might still have to make soem kind of two-tiered system, because im not going to either unrate most everyone i have rated now nor let any and all talk. so i guess ima have two keysets ? nfi.