asciilifeform: all writing is for speaking dead. ( even before properly buried; arguably the asciilifeform of 3yr ago is every bit as dead as his ancestors)
asciilifeform: the 'ancients' , notably, were obsessed with 'can haz search'. recall vannevar bush's elaborate 'steampunk' schemes for optical/analogue search in text
asciilifeform: ( 90+% of utility of log is... search )
asciilifeform: but pre-mechanization log is of quite limited use compared to current item.
asciilifeform: possibly because плохому танцору яйца мешают (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: pointedly, no moves/copies (without considerable cost) , which spawned the thread
asciilifeform: the current one definitely constraints ( 7bit ascii; no ---/+++ ; possibly others )
asciilifeform: 'what kind of constraint difftrons may impose' ?
asciilifeform: soldier isn't asked to pretend that enemy mg nest 'dun exist'. but he isn't given the option of not advancing 'because futile anyway'.
asciilifeform: troo capital-letter Understanding is a rare bird.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this goes all the way to the fact that we dun actually ~understand~ rsa ( in that there is no proof that you ~must~ factor to break ; or what the complexityclass of factoring is )
asciilifeform: 'why do you need this, just peek, poke'
asciilifeform: ( remember when having an asmer/disasmer on a micro was uncommon ?? )
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform can read hexdump of x86 , mostly without hiccuping, and mircea_popescu prolly can read pdp11 oct dump, but yet for some reason folx pass around sources...
asciilifeform: this thread is incidentally pretty great , it is exactly the one from 2016 but with the sides switched. ( earlier it was mircea_popescu who insisted -- in the orig 'clearsigning' thread -- on human-eye-readables )
asciilifeform: if i can't read it with eyes -- it may as well be a uuencode, neh
asciilifeform: much as i like sexpr, a sexpr dump of a vector drawing is not humanreadable either. at least not with my puny brain, i have nfi, perhaps mircea_popescu can render these in his head as he reads'em ?
asciilifeform: may as well represent as hexdump of jpeg.
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to hear how mircea_popescu would represent e.g. the fg schematic, in ideal vtron.
asciilifeform: there ain't actually any orc glyphs in my patches tho
asciilifeform: whether it 'is' in fact ast, or merely representably as one with 0 loss, is the open q afaik
asciilifeform: phf: literature is entirely representable as explicit ast
asciilifeform: right. but the 'source' in yer head is, really , an ast, whether you end up hitting space 1ce or 3ce when you end up entering the text. and likewise when i read it, it gets reparsed into ast.
asciilifeform: ultimately everyone is really eating the ast.
asciilifeform: that's what linear array text is a cheap, impoverished hack approximation to.
asciilifeform: the closest we can prolly ask for to 'hash meaning' is sexpr/ast.
asciilifeform: we actually had the ast-diff thread, re phf's lisp diff lament.☟︎
asciilifeform: a whitespace-agnostic diff would be a not-useless thing. problem is that hashes are not whitespace-agnostic, nor could ever safely be.
asciilifeform: it isn't untreated, it gets skipped. ( 'p' prototype in 'strict' mode will also stop and eggog if encounters a non-7bitclean char. which one can connect to a stick, to beat author of input )
