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undata: in that there will always be ways to break things, and always a need for fixes
los_pantalones: just heard these guys closed 50mm
undata: asciilifeform: would the "crystalline" form only describe features? this seems to fly in the face of the "provably correct" conversation of the other day
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu you may get gavin & co to ethereum mode sooner rather than later
mircea_popescu: why do i keep calling the poor man kuhn
asciilifeform: knuth's 'pi versioning' of TeX, yes
mod6: <+nubbins`> do the java thing and call it Bitcoin 6 << haha
asciilifeform: on anything, hell, univac. kelvin versioning doesn't mean you will never throw the whole thing away. just experesses the concept that code must cool down to pefect crystalline form, rather than accumulating turdacles.
mike_c: my instinct is that any versioning system other than following the derps would be better
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, donald kuhn did that.
PeterL: windows thing and call it Bitcoin 2014
nubbins`: do the java thing and call it Bitcoin 6
undata: BingoBoingo: I remember that; bizarre
asciilifeform: start at temperature, e.g., 500K. then 'cooling'. theoretically 0K means it will -never- be reasonable to change it. ever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the c machine tho ?
mircea_popescu: and make a "bitcoin" that has no more bitcoin in it at all.
mike_c: 1.0 can be the first version that has no more bitcoincore legacy code in it
assbot: Ubuntu Warty visual theme/Image archive - Geek Feminism Wiki
gribble: Tradition!Tradition! - Jewish Gifts and Fine Judaica: <http://www.traditiontradition.com/>; Fiddler on the roof - Tradition ( with subtitles ) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw>; Tradition (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition_(song)>
mircea_popescu: ;;google tradition tradition!
mircea_popescu: to be 1.0 ? tradition.
PeterL: what does it need to be mature?
mircea_popescu: put usg people in usg type positions.
mircea_popescu: mike_c think of it strategically. won't it be funny when usgavin is stuck arguing that a) he's forking bitcoin and b) it's the real bitcoin ?
asciilifeform: ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers.
cazalla: bounce wishes the politicians would show some spine here. take their local passport, wave goodbye, declare them europe-wide persona non grata for all eternity. problem solved. <<< they sorta did that here but cancelled the passports so that they couldn't leave australia and not after
mike_c: yeah, and to follow this odd analogy, it doesn't call itself "toad". it calls itself "crocodile"
mircea_popescu: it's merely eating toads.
mircea_popescu: mike_c the crocodile that opens maw to let stuff in, then lets water back out is not following toads lead.
mircea_popescu: the wanna-bes on the outskirts of bitcoin are making baseless claims to a continuity that doesn't exist.
mike_c: exactly, so why follow their lead?
mircea_popescu: that's the message here. we got the brand.
mircea_popescu: mike_c usgavin's crap is the different
mike_c: and that is worth signifying, instead of looking like a clone.
nubbins`: this is what, a couple weeks of sifting to identify em
nubbins`: i'm sure there must be
nubbins`: this is assuming there are useful bugfixes in 0.7-0.9
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but pillage the whole thing in one go.
bounce: guy got the order right
asciilifeform: first - we pillage. Then - we burn.
mike_c: why the fuck would this project follow in derpy footsteps?
nubbins`: next release, 0.7, takes actual improvements from 0.7.* series and weeds out crud
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 17:56:50; othernubs`: copy the cream, chuck the crap
mike_c: hey thickasthieves, wake up and back me up. this things needs different branding.
mircea_popescu: or w/e the derps are doing currently.
mircea_popescu: i could see an argument for releasing it as the real 0.9 tho
mircea_popescu: cuz it's not teh 0.1 not rly.
nubbins`: dance into the sunset holding hands
asciilifeform: first someone please unearth a genuine vintage tarball of 0.5.3. github of poundation sc4mz0rz could be doctored.
nubbins`: so clone 0.5.3 to our tree as 0.5.3
nubbins`: a-ha, that's also fair
asciilifeform: no sense including turds in first commit << surprisingly, i must disagree. we gotta show the pedigree from classical bitcoind.
nubbins`: no sense including turds in first commit
mircea_popescu: mixing these two is antidesign.
nubbins`: actually i suppose a better idea is to deturdify 0.5.3 first
mircea_popescu: nor do i think it's a half -good idea.
BingoBoingo: My worry with ECDSA for signing critical things is using the same keypair too many times increases the chances a bad k can enter the mix
mircea_popescu: bounce i do not use an "email client" that's gpg able
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no, asciilifeform did that.
mircea_popescu: bounce i was talking about "sign with bitcoin address"
nubbins`: mp i hope you tricked him into thinking he was gonna print a bunch of stuff
bounce: no ugly as fuck crap added to the body, basically. proper integration with email by using its facilities instead of reinventing them, clunkily.
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, I think jurov is on it
mircea_popescu: wow the oiriginal nubbins!
nubbins`: just clone 0.5.3 into it for now and we can identify what gets chucked from there
nubbins`: someone more familiar with github than I should probably set up the repository
asciilifeform: bounce: re: short & convenient ecdsa keys << 'the easy cheese lives - in the mousetrap.'
mircea_popescu: bounce what'd be the benefit ?
mircea_popescu: okay. i have nfi what happened there, but rolled new dns servers and all seems well ?
bounce: the ecdsa stuff is short enough to fit conveniently in a header or two
BingoBoingo: ^ this
asciilifeform: bad enough that btc uses ecdsa. i rather wish it were something that could be discouraged, rather than we were to depend yet more on it.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla by the way, intel sez that the reason you've not heard from sgornick nor will you is that the guy meanwhile figured out i'm involved, and doesn't like me either because i said nigger or cunt at some point in the past. <<< what a fucking cunt
bounce would like bitcoin address-signed mail. if you're going ahead with the signage requirement, lemme see if I can whip up a verifier for that.
asciilifeform: if you can get a signed gibblet in, by land, by sea, by pigeon - and signature is one of the chosen - message is in next broadcast. 'cheap and angry' - like 'mpex' et al.
asciilifeform: i confess that i rather like the mailing list idea. readily convertible to 'apocalyptic' shortwave radio...
kakobrekla: better than ignoring the sender would be making the sender unable to send in the first place.
asciilifeform: i should clarify, not literal +v, incl. 'up' folks. the magic 29 pubkeys.
kakobrekla: recall that?
kakobrekla: i was assbot the other day
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla at least you don;t have to moderate for child porn.
kakobrekla: just like asciilifeform slaves in the us i must talk to strangers over email :(
mircea_popescu: <FabianB> mircea_popescu: ^^ fixed < ty!
FabianB: it only checks the health indicator line for the first proxy (fastest ping proxy), which above was coinbr proxy
FabianB: that's why mpexstatus shows vwap as being broken i think
jurov: obv they aren't cached/invalidated at the same time
jurov: FabianB: mircea asked for it to be cached
kakobrekla: and the other is mpex
kakobrekla: just that host doesnt kick you
kakobrekla: well it doesnt need to be up at all times
jurov: okay, so i'll go make s3 bucket for it. if someone throws terabytes/day on it and makes it expensive for me then we'll see what next
asciilifeform: -- and that way the www site can be 100 percent static.
asciilifeform: i suggest going with whoever had the mailing list idea. emphasize the 'we sign things and so mechanism doesn't matter' aspect. ☟︎
mike_c: in short order it will be hosting the charter i assume.
kakobrekla: host the real altcoin?
jurov: mkay...so is there a consensus what should therealbitcoin host? only http git repo for now?
mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck i keep getting spam then, hesus.
bounce: yes, thanks. broken everywhere.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: loltron. nah, we had an 'iskra' (8086 clone originally built for soviet tanks.) so no dice.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform x86, transmittable over irc