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mircea_popescu: the only way to avoid this is being in my wot. which the derps in question are not. so therefore they do not exist.
TheNewDeal: did anyone else (like goat or theymos) get in trouble a la http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as/ ?
mircea_popescu: i personally don't give a shit. my thinking is, if im making a backloading hoe, i shall name my backloading hoe a backloading hoe. sure, someone may or may not exist figuring his hoe is THE backloading hoe. this does not interest me. if he has already built a "backhoe loading palace" or not, if and when i feel like building a backhoe loading palace, i shall call it... guess ?
decimation: I'm not sure they are worth the dignifying with targeting
asciilifeform: the current phoundation rolls in coin of mysterious (or not-so-mysterious) origin, this powers a certain amount of 'loud shout' idiocy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that is, the ridiculous meatspace org thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the name collision gambit - how far to take it? are we to carry on the entire papal court thing?
mircea_popescu: myeah. ty.
decimation: one might be able to pinpoint the generation of a new block
asciilifeform: what kind of secret, exactly, is the existence of a node ?
asciilifeform: decimation: the folks who do this now, what do they gain from it ?
decimation: asciilifeform: I can think of a use for a collection of zombie nodes: discover other nodes and relay transactions
mircea_popescu: the rest is just claims. people can claim whatever they like.
decimation: generally this takes a french army
asciilifeform: how to dislodge?
mircea_popescu: no, we are going for the roman papacy.
mircea_popescu: without this, they have no motivation.
mircea_popescu: this is how derps learn. by finding themselves in a situation where the people they aim to impress laugh at their cluelessness.
mircea_popescu: the idea is for people to be able to go "i support the bitcoin foundation" and for derps to go oh, this thing ? and for people to lol superiorly at their cluelessness.
asciilifeform: how is this a good thing ?
asciilifeform: eh, this is like jamming radio
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, creating confusion with the current bitcoin foundation is the best thing that can happen, short of the entire group of shitheads spontaenously combusting in a flame of shit.
mircea_popescu: the confusion thus created is positive. it's the confusion that precedes the move from sheer idiocy to sanity.
mircea_popescu: and then they finally break up and the sane 2nd guy calls himself ALSO a boyfriend
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's good confusion and bad confusion.
asciilifeform: and is there a name, anyway?
asciilifeform: I find it likely to confuse << who said to call it a phoundation?
asciilifeform: tripped the alarm?
joecool: woah i just had a DoD ip try to get into my gmail
decimation: I might contribute a patch or two if the ball is rolling
asciilifeform: who exactly is part of this perverse digression anyway
decimation: well, I like the idea of taking back 'bitcoin foundation', but I find it likely to confuse
asciilifeform: someone wants to suggest string?
asciilifeform: decimation: what, precisely, would this accomplish?
asciilifeform: again, the whole ftdi boobytrap - just another little proggy for microshit virus os.
decimation: last night it occured to me - what if someone took over a botnet and then used it to - create bitcoin nodes
mircea_popescu: and that specifically includes "the countries", ie, governments and their minions. it doth not include "the people" as such.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out, the "western world" must burn.
decimation: I guess the important part is that bureaucrats keep their jobs, not that owners keep their property
decimation: so why isn't ftdi management going to jail
mircea_popescu: murder is not in and of itself comparable. neither is rape. certainly not theft.
decimation: I can't see how normal people see this anything other than bureaucrats covering themselves, rather than doing anything in 'the people's' interest
decimation: yeah, that's over the top
mircea_popescu: the cheek of them fuckers, anyway. so wait, governments hacking individual phones is a ok, individuals exposing the lies of governments is life in prison ?
decimation: yeah it's more american than the us
decimation: I assume that's the phrase you were referencing mircea
decimation: did you guys see the uk law idea balloon? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/22/serious_crime_bill_computer_misuse_national_security_life_in_prison/
mircea_popescu: what, "unauthorised access to a computer system" ?
decimation: it certainly seems to me that any owner of the chinese copies has a good basis for a lawsuit
mircea_popescu: thus the hack makes the sane implementation null itself and fixes the checksum too, while the original ignores both operations because not two bytes involved.
mircea_popescu: decimation the original only writes bytes in pair. sane implementation write bytes as presented
decimation: but presumably the reimplemented devices are 'close enough' for the standard ftdi driver to work?
mircea_popescu: this is a case of, broken implementation uses its own brokenness to deny things to better competitors
BingoBoingo: decimation: None of the clones are actual duplicates, they just "borrow" scarce usb id number
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from wqhat i understand the problem is that they didn';t copy bug for bug. in that they write even bits, the original does not
decimation: asciilifeform: if it's an exact duplicate, how do they differentiate it from legit chips?
asciilifeform: decimation: they exploited their own 'don't care' bits.
mircea_popescu: decimation that's fucking weird.
asciilifeform: they simply took the spec & reimplemented.
decimation: so they exploited their own bugs?
asciilifeform: simple enough best, so there was no real need to make electron micrograph and laboriously reverse the mask
decimation: I can't ping it, it resolves to 178.62.254.13
asciilifeform: decimation: if the chinese had simply copied the die, as folks often do, the vulnerability would be no surprise. but instead they reimplemented the thing bug-for-bug.
decimation: I can't get to it
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo the letters are right next to each other.
joecool: asciilifeform: thanks
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: By thanks you mean make sausage of?
decimation: wait, why would it be wrong to put a wp pin?
asciilifeform: and, afaik, no wp pin on any of them
decimation: yeah, most usb turds seem to be
asciilifeform: decimation: traditional ftdi chip, for no particularly good reason, is reflashable in-band.
decimation: or did this get pushed in a windows update?
decimation: wait, so if windows includes driver, this will only hurt those who use an 'aftermarket' driver?
kakobrekla: yeah, say thanks to somenumberasletters guy
asciilifeform: !s the air seller
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 22:05:36; asciilifeform: http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/FTDI-FT232RL-real-vs-fake-supereal << entirely different silicon. from this we learn!! that a) they copied it because usb id is charged for by rent-seeking scumz0rs b) winblows includes ftdi driver already. relationship with microshit. so chinese were forced into this.
asciilifeform: let's fire that again: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#889092 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2014 00:00:08; midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. quantum wave functions are sometimes bounded asymptotically in position.
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2014 00:00:08; midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. quantum wave functions are sometimes bounded asymptotically in position.
asciilifeform: undiscovered enough to fuck with some heads
asciilifeform: who said to keep it there, lol
kakobrekla: keeping the key on the server would defeat the purpose of key?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform iirc last gribble auth was when nicks were changed, it does auth to nickserv though
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 513.11 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.73 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s
mircea_popescu: no idea what the 502 guy is about.
mircea_popescu: http://gtmetrix.com/reports/qntra.net/gOCNpLYe 99% 97% w/e that means.
mircea_popescu: i dun see the problem, most of the internet takes more than a second
mircea_popescu: URL tested:http://qntra.net Test performed from:New York, NY Test performed at:2014-10-24 02:21:20 (GMT +00:00) Resolved As:23.235.236.98 Status:OK Response Time:0.604 sec DNS:0.241 sec Connect:0.091 sec Redirect:0.000 sec First byte:0.091 sec Last byte:0.181 sec Size:35273 bytes
mircea_popescu: i suppose the soa cache is the culprit.
Apocalyptic: but yeah Aus is pretty bad too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lawsky i mean. the ny derp.
Apocalyptic: western europe too, (the nodes are chosen randomly so we don't have the same ones probably)
mircea_popescu: how can these dorks live like that.
mircea_popescu: jesus that lansky fellow is one boring fuck.
kakobrekla: >Amen to that, entirely too many assholes in the cryptosphere these days. The entry barrier is no longer access to coins, or ability to mine. It is being able to deal with all the children and pricks that think they know it all and that their ideology are law.
BingoBoingo: fivezerotwo: What, do you not like the new favicon?
fivezerotwo: Meh, it's generally slow enough to be unusable.
TheNewDeal: nubbins` - cats out of the bag ! http://imgur.com/5T5nXXl
mircea_popescu: one of the unsung heroes of bitcoin.
gribble: You rated user sturles on Sat Oct 29 01:49:37 2011, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: coupla deals over pp.