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mircea_popescu: it is, isn't it ? :D
pete_dushenski doesn't know why 'borrowed pants' is such a funny visual image.
mircea_popescu: if this pattern bullshit worked we wouldn't be stuck here with glibc. and that goes exactly to pete_dushenski "wisdom of decisions" thing above too
mircea_popescu: they were engaged in a political battle, at hte time, because they didn't like that the men, congregating in bars, decided elections.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:07:57; asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'
mircea_popescu: some do, most don't, principally because it ain't worth the hassle.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:01:25; BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 16:53:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1158322 << can only be resolved on a case-by-case basis, not ever at a larger scale i don't think. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can't find my fat-fingering, but my node running your patch *does* connect to lfnet. it does not, however, obtain a connection to another node thereby.
mircea_popescu: see, why can't you be more like lloyd brown.
mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your ass the next day, no ☟︎
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition << eh let's not exagerate, guy's been dealing with linux for two decades.
pete_dushenski: i couldn't imagine having spent the last year and a bit more productively, even if, yes, it wasn't free. but what of value is ?
funkenstein_: maybe we will later complain, we were immature to give away our time? I don't think so.
asciilifeform doesn't recall doing the 'six months' thing personally, either
asciilifeform: wasn't me
funkenstein_: you can't be serious
asciilifeform: it doesn't soak up concentration of the kind that is a serious limited resource in a thinking person's day
asciilifeform: there are other 'costs' that aren't precisely monetary, like the fact that you can't do the 20 years where you became a serious specialist in something - over again
funkenstein_: ok i don't know norway.. but i think that needs a bit of sussing out
pete_dushenski: as such, torvalds won't direct his unpaid armadas towards anything like the targets and projects that mp will.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition
asciilifeform: colour me thick, but i still don't feel like i have a grasp of the implications.
funkenstein_: mao, didn't give a flying fuck about kids
funkenstein_: they show up in gibson's cyberspace don't they
pete_dushenski: courage doesn't mean kamikaze in a port-a-potee
pete_dushenski: though most don't need to be told this, as spandrell points out.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: just scanned it. account describes particular atrocities against women and babies, but doesn't specifically state that 700 "workers" who staged coup were mostly or entirely men.
pete_dushenski: hm. can't say i know much about it.
BingoBoingo: Consider college towns. Local population of students who want a seedbox for torrents who can't on the campus network because of network restrictions on. Just need any box they can ftp into.
asciilifeform: i will have no part in it. and i can't picture any sane person wanting a part in it.
asciilifeform: usa is a shit-internet country. this won't change because there is no good reason for it to change
asciilifeform: if the past 40 years of computer retardation hadn't happened, and we used a stack with support for seamless process migration, 'voting circuit' computation, etc. it would be practical to use '1024 chickens' arrays of arbitrarily garbage hardware
ben_vulpes: moreover i'm not convinced it wasn't a stooge who broadcast the RBF txn to make the tweet in the first place
ben_vulpes: clearly don't understand how theWerld Werks (tm)
asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea' ☟︎
asciilifeform: if they don't, they are fools, and it isn't any fault of mine
asciilifeform: i don't get it. anyone was already able to specify arbitrarily high fee
BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF" ☟︎
asciilifeform: hm, it is, isn't it.
fartacus: thing wasn't even showing chan text without switching out of and back into the buffer
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171410 << 'chrome' (or, more practically, the open-source trimmable version 'chromium') is the only remaining graphical browser for unixlikes that isn't screamingly retarded ☝︎
mircea_popescu: can't argue with that.
mircea_popescu: nuts tho. i hadn't realised cartwheels'd necessarily be a big part.
mod6: ah, yeah. hmm. didn't consider that.
mod6: re: slutennis "Wouldn't you watch a sport like that ?" << f yes.
ben_vulpes: on the topic of the cost of complexity tossed in because someone doesn't understand things
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Palintology&page=2 | It is believed they held a peculiarly close relationship with the species vulpes ... A mindset which doesn't allow someone to stop saying the same things over and ...
mircea_popescu: but yeah, doesn't actually look like it
mircea_popescu: myeah. it just doesn't wash, half the "expert" population of c-ers doesn't actually comprehend c string safety
mircea_popescu: "Even though the application's default behavior is to create the ~/.bitcoind directory itself unprompted (and yet not the bitcoin.conf file that the damn thing expects in there), if you pass it a data directory that doesn't exist, it refuses to create it."
mircea_popescu: mysterious BDB shenanigans on application shutdown << it doesn't have atomic index operations. which means, that it can has updated index but unupdated data.
mircea_popescu: then go through these phases of he's kidding no wait, wait, i recall this. but it couldn't be. o yes it is.
mircea_popescu: "main calls AppInit, which itself calls AppInit2 catching all exceptions in two seperate logic branches, shuting itself down if the second layer of AppInit doesn't fire correctly:"
SuchWow: that's what i can't figure out
ben_vulpes: don't go!
SuchWow: you don't read do you lol
SuchWow: you shouldn't have asked
SuchWow: and if you didn't want to know
SuchWow: and haven't been for a long time
cazalla: pretty sure but haven't checked.. ok sorta makes sense why you'd be involved in dogecoin to begin with
SuchWow: cazalla: pretty sure cryptsy is still #1, but haven't checked honestly
SuchWow: what he actually said cold be true,, i woudln't know lol
ben_vulpes: > doesn't bother me
SuchWow: doesn't bother me at all tho tbh
SuchWow: i dunno, you're here in this chan, i haven't been here for months
SuchWow: cazalla: if you say so, i really and honestly wouldn't know anything about that
cazalla: SuchWow, you mean i don't know chinese exchanges pump it up with fake volume to fool westerners?
SuchWow: cazalla: clearly you haven't been watching dogecoin charts, and even more clearly, you have no idea who i am.
funkenstein_: which unfortunately uses java 8, and when I was trying to test I didn't even get as far as building OpenJDK 8
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i wonder briefly why these tards don't do something useful with their time, instead of making pointless "infographs" that make no sense, represent no data and interest no one.
ben_vulpes: i don't even have any items in eulora yet
mod6: If this doesn't go well, perhaps we'll try a period gcc if we can get it to work with uclibc/hardened AND another caviat here is going to be weather this defect shows up in there as well (since way down level).
mod6: so trinque & I have discovered that the patch provided by the email mentioned ( https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html ) doesn't patch cleanly at all. Even with some McGuyvering of the patch to ensure the paths are correct etc, there are still a number of files not found. It might be plausible to write our own custom patch for 4.8.4 to resolve the issue.
mod6: ah, didn't know it had a name.
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 03:57:27; mod6: good point, i shouldn't speculate about weather satoshi wrote that or not without looking at MP's submission of the original bitcoin. (http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html)
mircea_popescu: if it's a large company you don't gas about dividends. if it's small hire them as consultants or w/e
williamdunne: Which if I'm reading correctly, doesn't apply to EU citizens for Romanian companies
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
mod6: So yeah, in the version (v0.2.1) from MPs email, that code to find the external ip is included. Also if I do a checkout of tag v0.1.5 from git, same thing. Still don't know who added it for sure though.
mircea_popescu: i didn't come up with boost.
mod6: good point, i shouldn't speculate about weather satoshi wrote that or not without looking at MP's submission of the original bitcoin. (http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html) ☟︎
mod6: just grasping at straws. maybe the simplest answer is the correct one: he just didn't know.
mod6: who knows why satoshi put that in there. i kinda find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have understood IP headers. perhaps he was trying to ensure that every connecting node was indeed a real host, not some spoofed packet magic. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i can't words good today.
mircea_popescu: i dunno. i don't understand internets - which is common, admitting it is rare
asciilifeform: i don't see any 'win' from it
mircea_popescu: i still don't see the problem you two see
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#0395 << this implies the connection isn't dependent on the broadcasted IP at all
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: well... you don't plan on being there long anyway, so.
trinque: I have no strong opinion regarding uclibc vs glibc, as I haven't used the former at all before this
asciilifeform: why aren't we using a period gcc ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: not sure how you intend to build a dns-using thing with uclibc << this is a chicken/egg problem yeah. maybe we can't get it fully built because of the whole gethostbyname libnss bullshit. but if we can at least ensure that it'll link properly, that's huge. then, even if it's not fully statuc because of that, we can amputate dns with your patches and retry.
mod6: For me, doing this first is imperitive as even if the DNS amputation works, if we can't compile it with uclibc, it doesn't matter anyway.
ben_vulpes: wouldn't be the foundation mircea_popescu so much as my personal account
mircea_popescu: meanwhile guy trying to piss on electric fence won't stay stupid long
mircea_popescu: i don't think there exists a culture in which boys past the age of sexual maturity show any preference whatever to sleep with the women, just like girls of all ages much prefer to.
mircea_popescu: apparently in the us this wouldn't ever work because... inspections