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asciilifeform: the urbit thing was a cartoon-coloured extreme illustration of this.
mircea_popescu also, as young tyke, thought "wtf breadboard, useless shit takes more time to set up than it's worth new". then touched 120V a coupla times and grew wiser.
mircea_popescu: try doing any work without one for a laugh.
asciilifeform: but imho a field where critical battlefield machinery turns out to routinely contain breadboard - has a problem.
mircea_popescu: a breadboard is, for electronic circuitry, exactly what a general purpose db is for programming. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: all your fg pics include a mysql implementation.
asciilifeform: sorta goes upstack, even. ease of prototyping has a cost.
mircea_popescu: "i don;t understant the mechanisms YET, give me a worktable. with clearly known knobsw on it."
mircea_popescu: even as a prototyping item.
mircea_popescu: "oh, but a db for each program will be unmaintainable" "good luck maintaining the feature lists of shared item then" etc
asciilifeform: ( it adds a screamingly unwarranted runtime and nonfitsinhead complexity to just about any proggy ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: re db, imho general-purpose db (i.e. the kind that has query language) is a fundamentally misconceived idea. but we had this thread.
mircea_popescu: trolling is always a 3rd party oriented performing art. you know, like porn.
mircea_popescu: sina write it in ada, that'll really put a bee in his bonnet.
asciilifeform doesn't particularly need a db in overflowlang or gcpauselang for anything. but perhaps somebody else does...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was looking more for a redo of phf 's very fine "xorg" speech.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dbus is a poetteringism
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno why you read a language in his scribblings, it really is just pseudocode.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dropping it into a pyturd gives 0 useful result -- becomes nonconstanttime , potentially
mircea_popescu: do we have a plain and rather complete statement, specific to dbus in teh logs ?
mircea_popescu: sina go make a drop-in flatfile db replacement, so people can drop it in right now. there's a market, such as people who aren't happy mp-wp pulls in mysql.
asciilifeform: sina: you might be aware, i run a public box that displays a couplea newly-broken rsa keys ~daily
phf: i suspect the thinking is that you'll be running a local instance of gossipd, to which you connect over irc, so its main interface is some subset of irc (kind of how bouncers or bitlbee do it)
sina: in irctron, you can login to a remote node and keep your privkey operations local
mircea_popescu: so you don't have a proper irc client then. see ? i said irc CLIENT. protocol can stay, i see no prob there
sina: and once all components are happy, can be rewrote in a not shitlang
mircea_popescu: cutting the "irc client" out of the loop altogether, which is a definite plus.
sina: anyway, if youre happy with that generally as a "first draft" I am keen to refine incrementally
mircea_popescu: sina honestly i kinda got the tech stuff i wanted to see already, but let's do one so it actually works and there's a "first line exchanged through prototype".
mircea_popescu: sina it's a "sleep ad libitum" joke.
mircea_popescu: was later an anchor to try and give blogging a bad name, decade later phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this existed in romania too, weirdly enough just about syncrhonously, early 90s. it was an incredible collection of chicks nobody would fuck with a hog's dick and really pedosmiled older dudes.
phf: (check it, their second realm book starts out with TAZ in the subtitle, and that was the mondo 2000 thing, that we're going to build anarchist communes online. idiots, hakim bey came out and said very explicitly that the last chapter of TAZ where he ~speculated~ that internet might have a potential for TAZ was a mistake and to not please refer to your "cybercommunes" as TAZ'es anymore)
asciilifeform: ' Well, in the early 2000s I did a secure webmail service which was hosted on Sealand. I've always considered that the control of money and payment systems was the linchpin of farm control mechanisms, so following that I became involved in the digital gold currency (DGC) industry. For the past several years I've been involved with a project related to the virtualization of stored value using cryptographically signed digital bearer cert
asciilifeform: 'For the past decade I've been a professional agorist, still doing software but working on projects calculated to assist other livestock in getting off the farm as well.'
mircea_popescu: there was a once almost-worthy frisco-as-seen-by-crumb. where is it and wtf ate it and ???
mircea_popescu: phf its actually both a pity and impenetrable to me, why exactly weird california never actually happy.
phf: but i take it the roots of these people is the weird california http://www.rawillumination.net/2011/02/interview-with-kevin-macardry-as-ive.html their author guy is interviewed by a robert anton wilson fanblog, and they are namedropping all the different things that were cool in the 80s
mircea_popescu: a most productive eveninfg
mircea_popescu: ah, so like a catholic church where i take two whores in see through garb and they automagically and behind the scenes deck them in white veils, redo their hair to less brothely and sprinkle holyt water everywhere ?
mircea_popescu: im not even sure why this would be relevant. i'm there on a web browser, nothing happened as of yet.
asciilifeform: and if i had a bitcent for every 'anarchist' pushing usg.tor...
mircea_popescu: tis hard out there for a pimp
mircea_popescu: t to "come up with their own reasons" as to whether they're studying basic arithmetics or not ; i DO permit them autonomy in the sense that if they bring me a dead body i'll get rid of it rather than you know, "report it to the police".
mircea_popescu: EIC https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/secondrealm/blog_post.html << the obvious objections being that formally this reads just like yet another ustarded neoprotestant "i heard there's a world yesterday and here's how to fix it" tract, as so many before starting with abolitionism and aparently never endingly ; and fundamentally that "autonomy" is utterly naive. i do not permit autonomy my slavegirls, in the sense they don't ge
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 23:21 mircea_popescu: you mean #trilema ? here's a part of the magnificent new tech of the republic : you too can be just as old as everyone, as soon as you get arouind to it!
mircea_popescu: you mean #trilema ? here's a part of the magnificent new tech of the republic : you too can be just as old as everyone, as soon as you get arouind to it! ☟︎
EIC: not sure i can cleanly define a subset - too new still. just that feelin'
EIC: i get the feeling this is a tight knit group...
mircea_popescu: ayaya check out this crazy shit : https://anarplex.net/webirc 404s, but https://anarplex.net/webirc/ actually has a copy of freenode's old client. lessee
EIC: here's a web client: https://anarplex.net/webirc/
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/on-trisection-a-humble-contribution/ << Trilema - On trisection, a humble contribution
mircea_popescu: it has a box, i didn't check it
phf: that's all i have really, it's 1am in vienna, and i know for a fact there's at least 3 parties going on right now, but i'm kind of beat and sort of thinking about going to sleep. is that how old age feels?
mircea_popescu: shinohai also weird re constants. 14716. anyway ima kiwiirc if any of the locals developed a taste for watching these
mircea_popescu: a ty
EIC: i think there's a clearnet address, but no one really uses it.
mircea_popescu: oh this is a whol;e network ?
EIC: i was checking out trilema.com. feels a lot like the anarplex.net approach. more active here.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:41 asciilifeform: you can't actually write a nontrivial c proggy without undefined behaviour.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:12 asciilifeform: one hint -- look at 'screw' as a modular congruence
mircea_popescu: in other words, there's a relation between comutativity and colinearity, of all things!
mircea_popescu: from a noncomutative division ring.
mircea_popescu: "It's an insoluble problem. Furthermore, I think most bug tracking systems fail us because they make us ask the wrong questions. They force you to pick a side. Hatfields vs. McCoys. Coke vs. Pepsi. Bug vs. Feature Request. It's a painful and arbitrary decision, because most of the time, it's both. There's no difference between a bug and a feature request from the user's perspective. If you want to do something with an applica
mircea_popescu: and with this, #trilema stands firmly entrenched at the forefront of anglo cultural space, and at a considerable distance from the rest of the troop, at that!\
asciilifeform actually had a mouse with the 8086. serial port thing. marvelled at its uselessness
mircea_popescu: anyway, between this "the vermin came later" 8086 installation, the bottle of dial glue, a pile of equerres labeled "a collection of eschers" and so on, there's just about enough for a collaborative exhibition. and yet...
mircea_popescu: but imagine, you know, an ancient all steel 8086 case, with a wired mouse on the right and a round metal box on the left, also wired in. box clearly labeled, "#@$!#", and inside, some dead bugs.
mircea_popescu: because nobody came up with the obvious idea of a lulzworkshop. clearly labeled "dial glue" and other such useful items.
mircea_popescu is vaguely amusing at the whole ustardian faux-art... what shall we call it, it;s not a profession, how about community ?
asciilifeform: this was indeed a fella who ( afaik ) had never left good ol' gringolandia
trinque: I just told him he was right, and kid had a lot less cognitive dissonance to endure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. you know a dude who in preference of saving his kid, spent a lot of time and money saving his allegiance to the socialist state.
mircea_popescu: there's no papering over hell ; or there can never be a socialist solution to reality.
asciilifeform: trinque: i knew a d00d who had to spend much time, money, to save his 5yo 'illicitly nontalking' son from 'speshul' school and forced dopings
trinque: gives me a glimmer of optimism for "teh kids"
trinque knows a bright young man who didn't say much until about 5yrs old; when he got old enough to judge his surroundings, blood rage.
asciilifeform: re 'opt out', there was a similar phenomenon visible in, e.g., auschwitz.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 15:03 mircea_popescu: this pretty much sits at the core of the whole dispute. by "fit in head" tmsr simply means "do not engage irrelevant complicacy". complicacy serves as a term of art here, to denote things that are constructively complicated, as opposed to the naturally complicated. what your woman means when she speaks is complicated ; but marriage is complicacy.
trinque: "hey trinque, I saw this guy with a big hat. you know him?"
asciilifeform: if i'm an ukr, he can be a czech, lel
asciilifeform: ( lives in a corner of a university library , or somesuch )
mircea_popescu: tis hard out there for a pimp
asciilifeform: https://blog.codinghorror.com/can-you-really-rent-a-coder/ << see also
asciilifeform: 'jcomeauictx wrote: getting started. sponsor: do you know that Bountysource hasn't been paying out escrowed funds to coders for several weeks now? I'm putting this on hold until I hear from Rappo about this. [2017-06-21T21:35:27PDT got my funds a few minutes ago. front burner again.]'
asciilifeform: i take it, a /dev/null for money
asciilifeform: wat's a bountysource
gabriel_laddel_p: other AML news: If you send bountysource claims to a paypal whose name differs from your screename, the transaction will send, and then paypal will disappear the transaction from the history of the account you sent it to, and remove the funds + bountysource will not respond to emails regarding the matter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sent g_l a surplus 'x61', complete with pen. not a bad box, though weathered
asciilifeform: it's a 64
asciilifeform sent the d00d an old lappy a while back
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu have an article re greece, where, 'if idiot throws money into a toilet, he is doubly idiotic for expecting to see it again' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: you know, like argentina. "the debt dispute is very debalanced,. becayuse it opposes a tiny group of vulture capialists to a NATIONAL STATE!!!"
mircea_popescu: it pretends to be a state
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i certify the term is apt. i have NEVER seen a country in worse economic shit, including 1980s kazakhstan.
mircea_popescu: on it goes in that vein, and you should see what a barely literate "diputado nacional" by the name eduardo "wado" de pedro had to say.
mircea_popescu: los referentes de la derecha liberal estaban dispuestos utopicamente a reincidir en las recetas ajustistas y, amparados por la emergencia, apostaban a implementar el disciplinamiento social, aprovechandose de los elevados indices de desocupacion, sin privarse de la variante represiva en caso que fuera necesario. esos intentos fueron derrotados en las calles con la movilizacion callejera, y en las urnas con el abandono de la c
mircea_popescu: dias despues de la implosion de la convertibilidad, a pesar del marasmo economico, el hartazgo social y la crisis de conduccion politica, tres ideas diferenciadas campeaban en las cabezas de los devaluados referentes politicos que habian sobrevivido de la debacle economica politica y social mas profunda de las ultimas decadas.
mircea_popescu: well, google dun have it, because nobody gives a shit about the anglotards, and for good reason. but here it is :
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680023 << 'guile' is a steaming pile of shit ☝︎